Date: Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: Does it even matter prt 4 (holy Spirit)
Hello Bill,
I just believe in ONE GOD, the Father. And I only worship one
being as GOD and that is the Father. But Jesus has the divine nature,
he was born from GOD before all creation and inherited the nature of
his Father.
We have been made partakers of the divine nature also. That does not
make us "GOD", but rather the children of the ONE TRUE GOD.
But I'm glad you agree with most of what I said ;)
Martin
Ron Beaulieu responds:
The truth is friend, that the Son INHERITED the Divine Nature essence, substance. He was God. We partake of the Divine Nature Mind, but not its essence, substance. We do not inherit that essence. We were created, not begotten of God. Eldon is confusing partaking of Divine Nature Mind with Divine Essence or substance. We partake of the Mind of Christ by surrendering to His Will, but that has nothing to do with His essence and substance, which He is comprised of.
Does the Father Instruct to Worship the Son?
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him...But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." Hebrews 1:6, 8.
What does Ellen White say about who we should worship?
"Jesus overcomes the great deceiver, and sees his working with the children of disobedience to keep them in disobedience. He sees him deluding them by innumerable deceptions, and beholds men ready to take the offered bribe to have the world and worship the deceiver, rather than renounce the world and worship the Son of God." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, 03-28-95.
It is the Spirit of Satan that refuses to worship the Son of God, when even God the Father instructed the angels to worship His Son. Martin Eldon and colleagues are thus exhibiting the Spirit of Satan.
"The apostle would call our attention from ourselves to the Author of our salvation. He presents before us His two natures, divine and human. . . . He voluntarily assumed human nature. It was His own act, and by His own consent. He clothed His divinity with humanity. He was all the while as God, but He did not appear as God. He veiled the demonstrations of Deity which had commanded the homage, and called forth the admiration of the universe of God. He was God while upon earth, but He divested Himself of the form of God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of a man. He walked the earth as a man. For our sakes He became poor, that we through His poverty might be made rich. He laid aside His glory and His majesty. He was God, but the glories of the form of God He for awhile relinquished. . . . He bore the sins of the world, and endured the penalty which rolled like a mountain upon His divine soul. He yielded up His life a sacrifice, that man should not eternally die. He died, not through being compelled to die, but by His own free will." E.G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7a, p. 446.
"Jehovah, the eternal, self-existent, uncreated One, Himself the source and sustainer of all, is alone entitled to supreme reverence and worship." E.G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7A, p. 439.
"Jehovah is the name given to Christ. 'Behold, God is my salvation,' writes the prophet Isaiah; 'I will trust, and not be afraid; for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; He also is become my salvation. Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. And in that day ye shall say, Praise the Lord, call upon His name, declare His doings among the people, make mention that His name is exalted.' 'In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah: we have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks. Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in. Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee. Trust ye in the Lord forever; for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899, p. 2. SDA Bible Commentary Vol. 7a, p. 439.
Why are Jehovah and Christ considered as ONE GOD? Because they both are of the very same substance--essence. What is their family surname? Jehovah.
Worship to God and the Lamb
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. Isa. 66:22, 23.
In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after their work of creation. When 'the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the hose of them' (Gen. 2:1), the Creator and all heavenly beings rejoiced in contemplation of the glorious scene. 'The morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.' Job 38:7. . . . When there shall be a 'restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began' (Acts 3:21), the creation Sabbath, the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph's tomb, will still be a day of rest and rejoicing. Heaven and earth will unite in praise, as 'from one Sabbath to another' (Isa. 66:23) the nations of the saved shall bow in joyful worship to God and the Lamb." E.G. White, Maranatha, p. 371.
Who is the King of Glory?
"Thousands and thousands of angels escorted Christ in honor to the city of God, singing, 'Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lifted up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.' The angel sentinels at the gate exclaimed, 'Who is this King of glory?' and the escorting angels raised their voices in chorus, 'The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates' even lift them up, ye everlasting doors' and the King of glory shall come in.' Again the challenge rings forth, 'Who is this King of glory?' and the escorting angels answer, 'The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory,' and the heavenly train passes through the gates. The angels of God were about to bow in adoration before him, but Christ waved them back' he must first hear from his Father that his sacrifice for man had been accepted. He had a request to present before the Father: 'I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am.' Although he ascended into heaven to the glory of his Father, our blessed Saviour did not forget us here on the earth. And what was the answer that the Father gave to the Son?--'Let all the angels of God worship him.' And then they all bowed in adoration before him' they worshiped him, and their song of praise filled the heavenly courts. Honor and praise and majesty were ascribed to Him that sitteth upon the throne, and to the Lamb forever and ever." E.G. White, Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 07-29-90, pr. 3.
Implications of Not Believing in the Holy Spirit as the Third Person of the Godhead
Rejection of the Holy Spirit as being the third person of the Godhead, is the same as rejecting the greatest sacrifice and crowning good of both God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus volunteered to lay aside His Divine Nature Holy Spirit life as a regenerating agency for us. Without this greatest of gifts, overcoming would not have been possible and the blood of Christ on the cross would have only afforded continued sinning forever.
The wages of sin is eternal death, and if there was no eternal death to something, there has been NO ATONEMENT, AND NO SANCTUARY fulfillment. By laying aside His first estate of Being in the form of pure Divinity ONLY, Christ died to that life. That life lived on in the form of the Holy Ghost, but Christ died to that life FOREVER, and became the Son of God in A NEW SENSE. That new form of the Son of God consists of PURE DIVINITY PLUS HUMANITY FOREVER. That is a sacrifice--an eternal sacrifice. It is a sacrifice to be other than PURE DIVINITY ONLY.
According to the Godhead of Fred Allaback, Lynnford Beachy, Allen Stump, William Grotheer, and others who subscribe to the same version of their godhead, there was no eternal Atonement for sin, the wages of which is eternal death. This is the all great flaw to their teaching on the Godhead. The only Atonement they can account for, even by their teaching that divinity died on the cross, is a three day atonement in the grave. No three day atonement can pay for the wages of sin which is eternal death of the Testator. Jesus met that requirement in His Incarnation. He died FOREVER--ETERNALLY to His Pure Divine Being ONLY, and took on another form of divinity combined with humanity forever.
Another implication of teaching that there is no third person to the Godhead, is that this teaching contradicts Ellen White and Scripture. That should be enough for any person with spiritual discernment. If we cannot come to the Father except through the Son, and we refuse to worship the Son, we thereby forfeit worship of the Father as well, and are worshipping Satan and His Spirit. This is how Satan has woven and intruded himself into the godhead and tried to set his throne above God's.
Conclusion
Satan is not dumb. He has tried to counterfeit everything God has done. God has a heavenly trio. Satan would not be so dumb as some of his subjects in making a two-person counterfeit to the heavenly trio. The Holy Spirit as manifested through Ellen G. White, is not dumb! She gave many statements to the effect that there are three persons to the Godhead. Neither Satan, nor the Holy Spirit are dumb!
"The Teacher from heaven no less a personage than the Son of God, came to earth to reveal the character of the Father to men, that they might worship Him in spirit and in truth. " E.G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, p. 176.
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Christ was the great Teacher while on earth, and He still is the great Teacher by coming to us in the form (Person) of His Holy Ghost, which teaches us all things.
"That He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might by HIS SPIRIT in the inner man; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height: and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Now unto Him that is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, unto Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen." E.G. White, Fundamentals of Education, 180, Review and Herald, November 17, 1891.
The Holy Spirit is the omnipresence of Christ.--
"It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, 'the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name.' 'I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you' [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, 'I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth' [John 16:12, 13]." Written from Petoskey, Michigan, June 11, 1891, by E.G. White to Brother Chapman. E.G. White Manuscript Releases Volume 14, p. 175.
Jhn 14:26 "But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Who is speaking when the above verse says "I will come to you.?" Christ is speaking. It is He who comes to us via His Holy Spirit omnipresence, which became His representative and successor in the earth at His Incarnation, because humanity cumbered that Spirit, that omnipresent One Eternal Holy Spirit.
“Cumbered with humanity Christ could not be in every place personally, therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them to go to His Father and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself [The Son of God], divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit.” E.G. White, (Manuscript Releases Volume 14 (No’s 1081-1135) MR No.1084.
The Son's Holy Spirit is part of the life, the person, He laid aside as a regenerating gift to us. Without the sacrificial gift of that life, the Son's death on the cross would have been of no avail.
"The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ [on the cross] would have been of no avail." E.G. White, Review and Herald, May 19, 1904, The Promise of the Spirit, pr. 3,
Ron Beaulieu