Rebuttal to "The Separatist Movement Exposed”

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Dear Reader,

There is a document being circulated on the Internet and directed specifically at me, which is entitled The Separatist Movement Exposed, which proposes to entertain proof that separation from an apostate church that has removed God, is not apropos at this time.  I will respond to each charge after each paragraph in this font color.  I will make references to the anti-separitist document using those words. The writer of the anti-separatist document has not been an Adventist for long.  He comes from a Lutheran background and has a very poor understanding of true Seventh-day Adventism. Here is the document:

The Separatist Movement Exposed

Today in Adventism we have some who claim that the Church is in such a great apostasy that it is now time to leave. This group is referred to as separatists.

The rejection of the fallen churches didn't happen in a short time..people believed in the Sabbath throughout history and some of the reformers were told of the Sabbath for example...but they rejected it...the rejection of the fallen churches was over a long period..the 1st angel's message was the last straw.

Ron’s response:  I will prove that it is not necessarily the length of time that determines a people’s fate, but the gravity of the apostasy.  We must remember that we have the example of the Jews, who were given 70 weeks (of years) totaling 490 literal years applying the day-year principle.

I invite the reader to review the 10 most important dates beginning with the Destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

Christianity began in A.D. 27.  Luther posted his 95 thesis to begin the Protestant Reformation in A.D. 1517.  From A.D. 27 to the present (2006), that is 1979 years.  From the beginning of the Protestant Reformation in 1517, 489 years have lapsed!  God gave the Jews 490 years (Daniel 9:24), and we are just one year away from receiving as many years as the Jews did from the date of the Reformation.  We really do not deserve as much time as the Jews had because we have God’s validation of their history in the Bible!

Will God have to repent to the Jews for being partial to us Gentiles in giving us more time?  I don’t know the answer to that question.  All I am trying to point out is that God has already given us Protestants about as much time as He gave the Jews, lacking ONE YEAR. And we had the examples of the Jews to boot!  We have had the entire example of man from day 1 to the present!  We have no excuse to be in apostasy or implying that we are due a lot more time to overcome apostasy, when we know by the signs of the times that the coming of Jesus is very near.

Separations in Past History

Abraham was separated from his family so that the faithful could mature in righteousness.  Scripture and the SDA Bible Commentary, both tell us that it is impossible for the wheat to mature among thorns (open sinners) because of the following reasons:


·       "Thorns sprung up.--The thorns (open sinners) made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:4). In the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation (Christ's Object Lessons, p. 50). To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ."  SDA Bible Commentary,  Vol. 5, 405.

·       Tare are insincere believers who motives we would have to judge to remove them from the camp.  Open, apostate sinners are quite a different matter, and if the church will not separate them if they will not be reformed, then true reformers must separate from the church, because it is impossible to unite with the corrupt and remain pure.

·       "It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.


That is why the following separations from apostasy took place in history:

·       In early the early apostasy of Israel, the camp was kept pure of apostates by killing them if they would not repent and reform. Moses separated the throng from Korah, Dathan and Abiram from apostasy within 24 hours of that apostasy, by having Korah and party killed—almost 15,000. 

·       At the golden calf incident, Moses separated those who repented from those who did not.  Nearly 3,000 apostates were killed within a one day time frame, and then Moses prayed for those who had repented.

·       Lot was separated from Sodom and Gomorrah.

·       Abraham was separated from his own sireling immediate family.

·       Achan and family were killed off from Israel for one man’s apostasy in disobedience to God’s commands to Israel.

·       The faithful in the time of Shiloh separated from the apostate Jews of that generation.

·       "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, Vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

·       The above statement combined with Jeremiah 11:9-15, which Jeremiah wrote during the times of Shiloh, proves that God dealt with apostasy on a “generational” level.  In other words, His beloved in those verses were not found as His appointed place of worship, because of the corruption, see verse 15, where God asks the question: What hath my beloved (bride) to do in mine house (church), since she hath wrought lewdness with many?  The Holy flesh (God) left their presence.  What did they do when they did such evil?  The rejoiced!  The celebrated, just as SDA’s are now doing.


Jer 11:15  What hath my beloved to do in mine house, [seeing] she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.


·       Paul separated after three months. 


"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and  believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.


"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

·       Protestants separated from Rome (Before the harvest!)

·       Adventists separated from the fallen protestants who rejected present truth (Before the harvest!). "Nominal Adventists.--"Those who united in sounding the first and second angels' messages but who rejected the third angel's message with its Sabbath truth, but nonetheless continued to espouse the Advent hope, are referred to by Mrs. White as the 'nominal Adventists.' or those who 'reject the present truth'(p. 69), also 'different parties of professed Advent believers (page 124)... or those who 'reject the present truth.." Early Writings, p. 299, Appendix.

·       Ellen White said that there has been a separation of the faithful true reformers in every succeeding generation since Christ:   "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations. As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. 

·       And most important, Jesus, as the first act of His ministry, set the example for Reformers by separating His disciples and all true followers of His from apostate Israel.

·       "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 48, col. 2.



·       Can you render obedience to the following command of God, while being a member of a church that teaches two different gospels:

·       Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

·       Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

·       Can we render obedience to God by joining a church that has conspired with His enemies by joining Babylon’s Associations, Councils, and Confederacies, by conspiracy, without ever taking it to the General Conference in Session, so that the laity did not know about this for many years?

The church teaches two different gospels:  The one Karl Wagner, William Johnsson, Morris Venden, Des Ford etc. teaches and the one Dennis Priebe, Kirkpatrick, the Standish brothers, etc. teach. Since the sacred tithe goes into a pool to pay all pastors, can one render obedience to God, to accurse “another gospel,” and support such with his/her title?  How can any sincere minister of the true gospel recommend that you pay your tithe to a church that teaches two gospels.  Even Rome and her harlot daughters do not do that.

The Guidelines for Separation – Does God Separate the Wheat From the Tares and/or Thorns (Open Sinners) Before the Harvest?

"'Whose fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner.' [Matt. 3:12]. This was one of the times of purging (the time of John the Baptist’s ministry). By the words of truth, the chaff was being separated from the wheat. Because they were too vain and self-righteous to receive reproof, too world-loving to accept a life of humility, many turned away from Jesus. Many are still doing the same thing. Souls are tested today as were those disciples in the synagogue at Capernaum. When truth is brought home to the heart, they see that their lives are not in accordance with the will of God. They see the need of an entire change in themselves but they are not willing to take up the self-denying work. Therefore they are angry when their sins are discovered. They go away offended, even as the disciples left Jesus, murmuring. This is an hard saying who can hear it?'" Desire of Ages, 392.


 "The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.

God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as tough he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131.


"He will take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to OTHERS who will appreciate it." E. G. White, Review and Herald, July 16, 1895,  Vol. 3, 272.

The compiler of the anti-separationist document says that the Reformation was given a long time to finally reject the Sabbath and the three angel’s messages.  The reformation was given time to progress in the form of the various churches represented, but it was not given long after the church of Philadelphia presented the Sabbath and the three angel’s messages.  Ellen White said that those who heard and understood the Midnight Cry and first and second angel’s messages in 1844, and then, or later, rejected those messages, received a shut door on salvation.  That means that some folk closed their probation within 8-12 weeks of hearing the first and second angel’s message in the summer and autumn of 1844.  She never reneged on that part of the shut door, in fact that is the part she saw in her first vision, to wit:

"While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.' At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming....

By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.


OUR COMMENTARY: The Midnight Cry of Matthew 25, called people out of the fallen churches. All who ever hear and understand the Midnight Cry, and thereafter take their eyes off the path lighted by that cry, by re-joining the fallen churches they were called out of by membership or confederacy in ASSOCIATION, COUNSEL ANDOR COUNCIL, GIRDING, OR LINKING WITH THEM IN ANY WAY WHICH WOULD IDENTIFY US WITH THEM, FALL OFF THE PATH AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET ON THE PATH AGAIN, WHICH IMPLIES SHUT DOOR UNPARDONABLE SIN! God's Word implies the same unpardonableness for such offense in Isaiah 8:9-20, and Revelation 14:9, 10. This is what Ellen White really meant by "shut door!" Those who have committed this unpardonable sin have grossly perverted her meaning. This is a most serious consideration every SDA should weigh heavily before he/she determines to enter ecumenical relationship with and/or join any of the fallen churches.

Some think that Israel of old was given a long time to repent—until the time of the stoning of Stephen in A.D. 34.  That is not true. Out of the great multitude of those who were to enter the land of Canaan, only two qualified.  Those who did not enter were lost.  Only Joshua and Caleb were faithful, and Moses was translated later. And as I proved earlier from Jeremiah 11:9-15, that generation of Jews who conspired with God’s enemies committed unpardonable sin.  How do you know that? Because God told Jeremiah not to pray for them.  Professing SDA’s have done the very same thing the Jews did then:

·       The conspired with Babylon in joining its Associations, councils and confederacies.  I have in my possession all the evidence any judge would ever require as proof for this.

·       They returned to the iniquities of their forefathers by adopting Babylon’s false gospel and by adopting the central doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine, in the 1930’s.

·       The went to Babylon to learn Celebration worship.  As Jeremiah 11:15 says, when they do evil, they rejoice (celebrate)!

·       Ellen White said that Jeremiah 11:15 has a COUNTERPART that will occur at the end and the only parallel counterpart to Israel is SDA’s:


COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White,  Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald,  11-07-82.


The above statement is God’s line in the sand!  He tells us when to not pray for a people.

Never, till exemplified in the sacrifice of Christ, were the justice and the love of God more strikingly displayed than in His dealings with Moses. God shut Moses out of Canaan, to teach a lesson which should never be forgotten--that He requires exact obedience, and that men are to beware of taking to themselves the glory which is due to their Maker. He could not grant the prayer of Moses that he might share the inheritance of Israel, but He did not forget or forsake His servant. The God of heaven understood the suffering that Moses had endured; He had noted every act of faithful service through those long years of conflict and trial. On the top of Pisgah, God called Moses to an inheritance infinitely more glorious than the earthly Canaan. {CC 111.3}

The cowards and rebels had perished in the wilderness, but the righteous spies ate of the grapes of Eschol. To each was given according to his faith. The unbelieving had seen their fears fulfilled. Notwithstanding God's promise, they had declared that it was impossible to inherit Canaan, and they did not possess it. But those who trusted in God, looking not so much to the difficulties to be encountered as to the strength of their Almighty Helper, entered the goodly land. It was through faith that the ancient worthies "subdued kingdoms, . . . escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens." Hebrews 11:33, 34. "This is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." 1 John 5:4. {PP 513.2}

Anti-separatist document cont:

The separatists claim joining the WCC makes us a part of Babylon...EGW never said anything about that and in fact said many times that we should join efforts of other churches when we don't have to compromise our beliefs...such as health movements and efforts in evangelism and preaching in their churches, etc. To constantly condemn them and say that only we love God is destructive to effective continues until we think that a brother Christian is a brother of Satan if he believes that he should take off his shoes in the house while I think it's OK to leave them on. There are times to separate yes...but there are times to stick together...and EGW herself stuck together with the church when it was worse in significant ways than it is now...

Ron responds:  The church was NEVER worse in any way that it is now!  Ellen White would never tolerate two gospels being taught.  She would never tolerate ecumenical linkage with Babylon.  She would never tolerate a New Movement that has removed God, by fulfilling every specification of 1SM 204-5.  She would never tolerate a new movement that goes to Babylon to learn to give a church service just like a rock concert via the Celebration movement.  Any who want the video, I am now able to send it to you.  Just send a little for postage and I will send you the video made by an engineer SDA. He did a professional job and you will never be the same after seeing this video made at an SDA camp meeting youth tent in Oregon.  There is loud rock music, dancing on the platform, and every lewd and uncouth thing, such as a young college drama student lying on the floor spreading her legs back and forth!

Ellen White prophesied that this would have its fulfillment at SDA Campmeetings JUST BEFORE PROBATION CLOSES:


"The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit.


The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and pervert that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirits working." Selected Messages, Vol. 2, p. 36.


Ellen White simply WOULD NEVER tolerate this.  She said that the Omega of Apostasy would be far worse than the Alpha, and in the Alpha she said to take the youth as far away from the church as possible:


"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.


What would she say today in the Omega, which she said would surely develop and continue until Jesus comes?


Wax stronger "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning, after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 57).

The separatists say joining the WCC violated God's line in the sand. In actual fact it is not God's is a line drawn by The separatists.

Ron responds: Joining in confederacy with God’s enemies is His line in the sand, Jeremiah 11:9-15 and Isaiah 8:9-13.

Anti-separatist statement:

To join a UN of churches is not at all joining Babylon in my understanding...if we do not support things that we disagree with...and we are not made to compromise...compromises of any kind with truth will be wrong...but just joining a group to discuss issues and work for a better world with more freedom of religion for all and helping people be healthier etc...does not qualify as Babylon. Did Israel refuse all contact with all other nations? Did she have no ambassadors? Obviously not. How in the WORLD are you supposed to witness to people who you constantly condemn and call 100% Satanic esp. if you refuse to have any contact with them? Are you not making exactly the same mistake that the Jews did when they excluded all Gentiles from their lives? Do you think you have even 1 chance in "hell" of converting them to the truth with that method?

Ron responds:  Ellen White said that Israel trek downward into apostasy began with their conspiracy of joining their enemies in association, council and confederacy.  Jeremiah 11:9-13, proves her irrefutably correct!  We do not have to join Babylon in order to evangelize it.  The prime objective of Babylon’s associations is visible unity of the churches.  The SDA church has had to conform and compromise on vital points, such as evangelizing only the unchurched.  It is required by the WCC and the various other ecumenical confederacies that a church not “steal sheep.”  The SDA church does it anyway on the sly, but they have lied in saying that they will not do so.

It is okay to contact members of Babylon, to witness to them, but we are not to join their associations, councils and confederacies, Isaiah 8:9-13.  I have a book by the World Council of Churches, entitled Directory World Councils, which lists SDA’s as FULL MEMBERS in five countries of the world.  It list them as participating members in other countries.  Ellen White said that the fallen churches are led by Satan as a body. Early Writings, p. 173.  The church is making the same mistake as the Jews in conspiring with God’s enemies, Jeremiah 11:9-15.

Read testimonies to ministers THOROUGHLY!!! The call of Jesus is to be IN the world, but not OF it. Being in the WCC does not at all mean that you follow Catholic beliefs. You can be in many organizations as long as your being their doesn't mean assent to any false beliefs. To refuse all contact individually or officially with people who don't understand important truths and to condemn them as Satanic nonstop is exactly the same as saying, "I don't care about you one whit. Go to hell for all I care." Doing this is actually one of the most Satanic things guarantees 100% that no one will ever listen to the important truths that the separatists do teach. I am sure that Satan laughs in glee when he sees people talking like this just like he was thrilled to death to see the Jews excluding all the gentiles from the truth...I for one have no interest in making Satan happy. To follow standards is important, but to eliminate all contact with the lost individually or not individually is a wonderful way to send them all to hell.

Ron responds: There are other ways to evangelize the world without joining Satan’s confederacies.  Jesus, His disciples and the seventy gave the gospel to the then known world without Satan’s help! Ellen White told an SDA minister by the name of Baker, that it is impossible to give the three angel’s messages on Babylon’s turf!  She was correct!  Proof?  Not one convert to Adventism during all the church’s ecumenical involvement since the early 1960’s.  Obviously, going against God’s commands does not work!  And I don’t refer only to Ellen White, but Isaiah 8:9-13 and Jeremiah 11:9-15.

The serious part of it all is that the World Council of Churches specifies that there will be no “sheep stealing” of members from other churches.  That is a direct conflict of interest to the three angel’s message.  Because the SDA church agreed to that specification, and then lies by breaking it, they will eventually inflame Babylon, and she will be the Ezekiel 9 destroyer, the men with the slaughtering weapons who destroy the SDA church. Notice this from the SDA Bible Commentary on Ezekiel 9:2:


“2. Six men. These executioners of vengeance are pictured as human in form.  In primary application they represent the Babylonians, who were to execute the divine sentence upon the city. In secondary application they portend the agencies of judgments which, at the close of time, will execute sentence, first upon those who have professed to be the spiritual guardians of the people, and later upon the wicked in general.”  SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, p. 605.

No one is advocating not evangelizing Babylon!  The church did it for decades without joining her associations, councils and confederacies! It is a flat-out lie to say that Ellen White never said anything about the ecumenical movement.  She had plenty to say about the National Reformers which was the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and later The World Council of Churches in 1948.  Here is what Ellen White said about the National Reform Movement and any linkage to Babylon’s associations, councils and confederacies.  Here is a manuscript documenting her teachings on Isaiah 8:9-13.

The ecumenical movement has EVERYTHING to do with the three angel’s messages:


"The peculiar work of the third angel has not been seen in its importance. God meant that His people should be far in advance of the position which they occupy today. But now, when the time has come for them to spring into action, they have the preparation to make. When the National Reformers [the title of the ecumenical movement before it became the Federal Council of Churches in 1908, and then the World Council of Churches, in 1948) began to urge measures to restrict religious liberty, our leading men should have been alive to the situation and should have labored earnestly to counteract these efforts. It is not in the order of God that light has been kept from our people--the very present truth which they needed for this time. Not all our ministers who are giving the third angel's message really understand what constitutes that message. The National Reform [Ecumenical] movement has been regarded by some as of so little importance that they have not thought it necessary to give much attention to it and have even felt that in so doing they would be giving time to questions distinct from the third angel's message [the Everlasting Gospel of Revelation 14]. May the Lord forgive our brethren for thus interpreting the very message for this time." E.G. White, Testimonies, vol. 5, 714, 715.


Scripture clearly says that he who is united to a harlot is one with her and SDA fraternity with the ecumenical movement has not converted ONE CONVERT TO ADVENTISM, since the church was involved as MEMBERS of the Hungarian Council of Churches from the early 1960’s at least, as reported in the Adventist Review, when it reported on the Hungarian revolt of 1500 faithful Hungarians who protested the membership in that National Council of Churches, which is a member of The World Council of Churches. 


The first SDA representative to the ecumenical movement from Andrews University, Dr. Earl Hilgert, has since converted to become a Babylonian minister.  I know of a U.S.A. Navy Admiral who was on the verge of becoming an SDA (he has studied for about 8 months with an SDA pastor), who told the pastor to never again darken his doorway the next time he came for a Wednesday night Bible study. The evening prior, the Admiral had watched a T.V. documentary put on by the National Council of Churches in the U.S.A., listing SDA’s as a MEMBER at that time. They hide it now!  The Admiral said:  Don’t try to call me out of Babylon, when you are part of it yourself!” You see, the Admiral was more astute than most SDA’s, in recognizing that such membership is a violation of the second angel’s message and Isaiah 8:9-10. Pastor David Bauer told the story. 


Solomon's course brought its sure penalty. His separation from God through communication with idolaters was his ruin. As he cast off his allegiance to God, he lost the mastery of himself. His moral efficiency was gone....He mistook license for liberty. He tried--but at what cost!--to unite light with darkness, good with evil, purity with impurity, Christ with Belial....God can do little for men who lose their sense of dependence upon Him.


"During these years of apostasy, the spiritual decline of Israel progressed steadily. How could it be otherwise when their king had united his interests with satanic agencies? Through these agencies the enemy worked to confuse the minds of the Israelites in regard to true and false worship, and they became an easy prey....Refusing to follow the path of obedience, they transferred their allegiance to the enemy of righteousness....the Israelites rapidly lost their abhorrence of idol worship." Prophets and Kings, p 51-59.


Those who cannot reason from cause to effect cannot see that it was via ecumenical “rubbing of shoulders” with Babylon, that made their gospel appear appealing and caused SDA leaders to copy-cat their Celebration mode of worship to attract numbers, and as well, the Central Doctrine of Rome, the Trinity Doctrine.  It was SDA conferences with the Evangelical’s in the mid to latter 1950’s that began it all!  But my detractor who is bereft of spiritual discernment does not see these relationships from cause to effect.  Total heresies have resulted from going on Satan’s ground and speaking with his representatives.  That is the result of conspiring with God’s enemies, Jeremiah 11:9-15. No less so than the results of Eve’s conversation with the enemy of all righteousness. 

Friend, past GC President, Robert Folkenberg, said that the Celebration movement might be the working of the Holy Spirit, and that we should wait and see.  How is it that I, a simple layman, knew inherently that we would not receive the Holy Spirit from Babylon?!  When you see the DVD on Celebration worship that I will send you free of charge, remember this saying by Robert Folkenberg!

"There is a lesson for us in the history of Solomon....He might have gone from strength to strength, from character to character, ever approaching nearer the similitude of the character of God, but how sad his history; he was exalted to most sacred positions of trust, but he proved unfaithful....Association with idolaters corrupted his faith; one false step led to another; there was a breaking down of the barriers which God had erected for the safety of His people; his life was corrupted...and at last he gave himself to the worship of false gods....

"Oh, how can God bear with the misdeeds of those who have had great light and advantages, and yet follow the course of their own choosing, to their eternal harm! Solomon...chose his own way, and in his heart separated from God....Solomon dishonored himself, dishonored Israel, and dishonored God.

"Looking upon this picture, we see what human beings become when they venture to separate from God. One false step prepares the way for another, and every step is taken more easily than the last. Thus souls are found following another leader than Christ. Ibid.


"All who occupy positions in our institutions will be tested. If they will make Christ their pattern, He will give them wisdom and knowledge and understanding; they will grow in grace and aptitude in Christ's way; their characters will be molded after His similitude. If they fail of keeping the way of the Lord, another spirit will control the mind and judgment, and they will plan without the Lord and will take their own course and leave the positions they have occupied. The light has been given them; if they depart from it, let no man present a bribe to induce them to remain. They will be a hindrance and a snare." Testimonies, Vol. 7 p 217-19.


Anti-separationist cont:

Yes, true reformers have left churches throughout history...maybe someday that will be necessary...but The separatists haven't convinced me that it's time now. The education of the church and it's evangelistic missions and efforts...Amazing Facts, Wiemar, and many schools and hospitals are moving more and more closely to certain of God's instructions through health esp. and family and discipleship and other some areas there is drastically better following of EGW now than ever before in history. In others this is definitely not true again...I’m not 100% praise...and there's a ton more work to be done in all areas...would greatly like to see you doing some of the work that needs so much to be done rather than criticize those workers of God who are trying to do the work...seems to be too much of Sanballat in what you write and not so much of Nehemiah and DOING the work.

Ron responds: I know the person who submitted the anti-separationist document to me and I can assure you that he rejects any counsel of God’s and Ellen White concerning ecumenical involvement.  But that is not the only abomination the church is involved in.  He excuses and/or minimizes all the apostasies of the church and does not sigh and cry for them on the many SDA internet forums he witnesses to.  Ellen White says when to take the course Nehemiah took:


"They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as resolutely today as them. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God's people in His guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 661.


Ellen White plainly said that the fallen churches cannot be distinguished from the world, so to unite with them in their associations, councils and confederacies, is like uniting with the world, Early Writings, 273.

The separatist’s description of a perfect church on earth is wonderful...I hope they create that...but it has never before existed as far as I can tell..maybe it will someday when God gives the full measure of the latter rain...I want to be part of that.

Ron responds:  Philadelphia existed in the autumn of 1844, when fifty faithful souls out of an estimated 150,000 who had received the Midnight Cry and the second angel’s message up to the time of the great disappointment.  The 144,000 of Revelation 14:4 will have no guile.  The church militant is not perfect, but neither is it to be infested with open sinning thorns making it IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature.

Ellen White said that the Omega of Apostasy would surely come and wax stronger until Jesus comes.  Most SDA’s have not a clue what the Omega of Apostasy involves.  This is a serious fact, because Ellen White said to keep the youth as far as possible from the church in the Alpha of Apostasy, circa 1900-1905.  She met that apostasy head on and stifled it, but she said that “nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the New Movement, New Organization, 1SM, 204-5.

I Agree with The separatists on evils of accreditation... but there were and are VAST differences in the SDA School system and the worlds. Some material is similar...but there is a LOT that is very could have been far better if we had not been accredited...but it's FALSE to say we have accepted the world's curriculum. That's a complete lie.

Ron responds: The writer is speaking double-speak out of both sides of his mouth. On the one side he says that he agrees with the evils of accreditation, and then out of the other side he defends it.  That is not the yea or nay position that God instructs us to take. SDA institutions are hiring more and more non-SDA teaching staff!  SDA institutions such as Walla Walla College have been forced by their local board of Accreditation, which is a group of Catholics, to teach the curriculum of the Accreditation Board “or else!”  There has been a big to do about this!  Ellen White said that it would be better to close down our schools than to teach the curriculum of the world.  What a perfect way for Satan to wrest the souls of our youth.  Then the church wonders why the youth go out the back door about as fast as new members come in. 

The divorce rate of the world is 1/3. The divorce rate of Christians who marry in the church, pray and study the Bible together and attend church is 1/1000... The separatists should the math...are they "commensurate" they are not...again there is a vast difference. One of these separatists who talk about the divorce rate seems to forget fact that his own divorce added to the divorce rate numbers!


Ron responds: As you will quickly witness, the anti-separationist writer’s statistics on SDA divorce are totally wrong!


 "We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.


You will see from the flagship paper of the SDA church, the Adventist Review, that the licentiousness and unlawful intimacy and unholy practices (eg. Celebration worship), have not been cleansed from the camp.

The separatist the writer refers to above WAS NOT a member of the church at the time of his divorce, and was granted permission by the church to get married in the church after his divorce and a proper investigation was conducted by the pastor. 

The anti-separationist writer was informed a few months ago about the following Adventist Review statistics for divorce in the church.  Here is the link to that message to him dated in May of this year, 2006:


He is thus telling a willful and woeful intentional lie about the divorce statistics in the SDA New Movement church!  I have the original post wherein I told him this information on the  sdaglobal forum.

The Adventist Review reported on how the divorce rate of the church is equal to that of the world in percentage rate per capita.  The following quote is taken from the Adventist Review link below:


“Despite the energy that most churches put into premarital training, the divorce rate for Christians, including Seventh-day is comparable to that in society. It may be safe to assume that much of this energy hasn't always been spent in the most effective manner.”

The following quote below this link is taken from the Adventist Review:

Divorce is more prevalent among Christians than the rest of the population, leaving broken hearts, shattered dreams and innocent children in its wake.  

The separatists claim The Adventist Church has become worse then Babylon or a sister to Fallen Babylon and we should not pay tithe to the Church, they redefine where the Storehouse is, usually they claim they are now the storehouse in order to collect the tithe. By this scheme they steal the Sacred Tithe from God. The separatists turn a blind eye to the following quote from Ellen White: “Some have been dissatisfied and have said, "I will not longer pay my tithe; for I have no confidence in the way things are managed at the heart of the work." But will you rob God because you think the management of the work is not right? Make your complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not doing right.--9T 249.

Ron responds:  Another classic lie by the anti-separationsist.  It seems he has a real integrity problem.  I merely quoted the following statement by Ellen White, and the writer now attributes that statement by Ellen White to me.  That is not Christian honesty and integrity.  Ellen White said that those who oppose truth would not have integrity, and such lying is sure a sign that my detractor is very despotic.  Such public lying is legally libelous.


Worse than Babylon -- "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies, Vol. 2, 441-442.


Ellen White said that the tithe should go to the “swift messengers” who have a message:


  I saw that the quick work that God was doing on earth would soon be cut short in righteousness, and that the swift messengers must speed on their way to search out the scattered flock. An angel said, "Are all messengers? No, no, God's messengers have a message." {RH, April 1, 1850 par. 6}


The Lord has shown me that precious souls are starving, and dying for want of the present, sealing truth, the meat in due season; and that the swift messengers should speed on their way, and feed the flock with the present truth. I heard an Angel say, "speed the swift messengers, speed the swift messengers; for the case of every soul will soon be decided, either for Life, or for Death." {RH, September 1, 1849 par. 8}

     I saw that those who had the means, were required to help speed those messengers, that God had called to labor in his cause, and as they went from place to place, they would be safe from the prevailing pestilence. But if any went that were not sent of God, they would be in danger of being cut down by the pestilence; therefore all should earnestly seek for duty, and be sure and move by the direction of the Holy Spirit. {RH, September 1, 1849 par. 9}

     What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us. I saw that some will be so hardened, as to even make sport of the judgments of God. Then the slain of the Lord will be from one end of the earth, to the other; they will not be lamented, gathered, nor buried; but their ill savor will come up from the face of the whole earth. Those only who have the seal of the living God, will be sheltered from the storm of wrath, that will soon fall on the heads of those who have rejected the truth. {RH, September 1, 1849 par. 10}


In fifty years of fulfilling the role of a “swift messenger,” God has not seen fit to cut me down.


Ellen White clearly said when to support the church or the “regular lines,” as she referred to the church:


Regular lines -  “So often the same old difficulties arise and are presented in regard to disturbing the ‘regular lines.’ But God will work in some way to make His people understand that THE REGULAR LINES HAVE BECOME FULL OF IRREGULAR PRACTICES…God alone can make men understand that working on REGULAR LINES has led to IRREGULAR PRACTICES.  God alone can make men’s minds as they should be.  The time has come when we should hear les in favor of the REGULAR LINES.  If we can GET AWAY FROM THE REGULAR LINES into something which, THOUGH IRREGULAR, IS AFTER GOD’S ORDER, it may cut away something of the IRREGULAR WORKING which has led away from Bible principles.”  E.G. White, Manuscript Release, #1450, p. 3, 4, 1901.


“When we see the regular lines are altered and purified and refined, and the God of the heavens mold is upon the regular lines, then it is our business to establish the regular lines.”  E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan Collection, p. 162-168.


“The present showing is sufficient to prove to all who have the true missionary spirit that the regular lines [organization] may prove to be a failure.”  E.G. White, Spaulding-Magan Collection, p. 175.  Written to Brother Daniels, June 28, 1901.


They have proven to be a failure to any with spiritual discernment.


“The regular lines had need to be broken as a potter’s vessel is broken, and reconstructed.” Ms. 29, 1903. pp. 1, 3 (General Manuscript, The Southern Work, undated.


"It would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God those who really mar and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the standard of Christianity." Testimonies, Vol. 3, p. 553.

The separatists claim that there are two gospels being taught in the Church today... this is absolutely true. One is a false gospel in which we are saved by works taught by the separatists, the other is the gospel is the taught in Scripture and by Ellen White “by grace are ye saved through faith” See (Eph 2:8) These separatists try to earn Salvation by keeping the Law, little do they understand that unless one is already saved keeping the Law is of no avail. Law keeping (obedience) is a requirement of those who are already saved.

Ron responds: The separatists I know do not believe that they can earn anything relative to salvation.  They do believe that by partaking of the Divine Nature of Jesus Christ they can be empowered to overcome by His grace given for obedience, Rom. 1:5.  The gift of grace for obedience is just as free and available to every sincere Christian as is the gift of pardon or justification and one is not justified without accepting both free gifts of His grace.

There are two diametrically opposed gospels taught within the professing SDA church today.  Separationists are not there!  For example, the Dr.’s Colin and Russell Standish, Dr. Ralph Larson, Pastor Dennis Priebe, Pastor Larry Kirkpatrick and some other, teach the traditional gospel taught by Ellen White, to her death, to wit:

"Under the new covenant, perfect obedience is the condition of life." God's Amazing Grace, p. 138.


"Could there be an excuse for disobedience, it would prove our heavenly Father unjust, in that He had given us conditions of salvation with which we could not comply." Sketches From the Life of Paul, p. 296.



 "God works; but man must cooperate with Him in the great plan of salvation. The condition of eternal life is not merely to believe, but to do the words of God." Home Missionary, 1 October 1897.


"Implicit obedience is the condition of salvation." Signs of the Times, 15 November 1899.


"Obedience brings salvation, disobedience, ruin." Manuscript Releases, Vol. 7, p. 264.


"The great gift of salvation is freely offered to us, through Jesus Christ, on condition that we obey the law of God; and individually we are to accept the terms of life with the deepest humiliation and gratitude." Signs of the Times, 15 December 1887.


"In the gift of His only begotten Son He has ensured to us eternal life upon condition of our faith and obedience." Signs of the Times, 6 May 1889.


"Entire obedience to the law of God is the condition of salvation." Signs of the Times, 14 April 1898.


Desmond Ford and some other apostate SDA’s try to say that Ellen White change her view on the gospel after 1888.  Notice the date of the above statement, 1898, ten years later! 

Jesus does not once call the Seventh Day Adventist Church Babylon, nor does He ask them to come out, {1MR 301.1} Ellen White CLEARLY states that The Lord has not given them a message to call the Seventh-day Adventists Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out of her, {2SM 63.2} where then does such a message come from? From Satan!

Ron responds:  The above statement was written to two men in 1893.  They were calling the church Babylon at that time and Ellen White said that the church was keeping the commandments of God and heeding the Laodicean message at that time. Ellen White was very specific about what she referred to as the Seventh-day Adventist church.  They are those who keep the commands of God and heed the Laodicean message.  That is who she was referring to in 1MR 301.1.  All the statements the anti-separationist writer gives concerning Babylon are totally out of context, and, as stated, they were written to two men who were calling the church Babylon in 1893.  Ellen White said to consider time, place and circumstance regarding the use of all her writings:


"Regarding the testimonies, nothing is ignored nothing is cast aside

but time and place must be considered." 1SM p. 57.


Circumstance:  We see those who will select from the testimonies the strongest  expressions and, without bringing in or making any account of the  circumstances under which the cautions and warnings are given, make them  of force in every case. Thus they produce unhealthy impressions upon the  minds of the people. There are always those who are ready to grasp  anything of a character which they can use to rein up people to a close, severe test, and who will work elements of their own characters into the  reforms. This, at the very outset, raises the combativeness of the very  ones they might help if they dealt carefully, bearing a healthful  influence which would carry the people with them. They will go at the work, making a raid upon the people. Picking out some things in the  testimonies they drive them upon every one, and disgust rather than win souls. They make divisions when they might and should make peace. {3SM  285.4}

The separatists moment has its own prophet Ron Beaulieu, this man claims to be a swift messenger with a message to professing Seventh Day Adventists that the Adventist Church has joined Babylon.... Ellen White speaks of another man, a man named B. who claimed Seventh-day Adventists were Babylon... Ellen White says this man certainly gave a loud cry, and they had much trouble with him; his mind became unbalanced, and he had to be placed in the insane asylum. {1MR 298.3} The Lord has a message to this false prophet: “The Lord hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie. Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth:... because thou hast taught rebellion against the Lord....

Ron responds:  Here again, the writer takes Ellen White’s comments to specific individuals and misapplies them to me because my last name begins with B.  The same thing could apply to that writer using the initial of his first name which is G.  His last name begins with Z, so there are none for that.  I have been giving my warning message for 50 years and God does not permit his true prophets to become unbalanced in mind. 

This False Prophet Ron Beaulieu is an "accuser of the brethren," and it is the spirit of Satan that inspires him to watch for the errors and defects of the Lord's people, and to hold them up to notice, while their good deeds are passed by without a mention! {GC88 395.2} He takes passages in the Testimonies that speak of the close of probation, of the shaking among God's people, and he will talk of a coming out from this people of a purer, holier people that will arise. Now all this pleases the enemy. . . . Should many accept the views you advance, and talk and act upon them, we would see one of the greatest fanatical excitements that has ever been witnessed among Seventh-day Adventists. This is what Satan wants.--1SM 179

Ron responds:  What I watch for as a faithful watchmen is not mere error and defects, but gross, strictly forbidden apostasy.  That is not miss accusing the brethren for we are to sigh and cry for all the abominations in “Jerusalem,” Ezekiel 9, and show God’s people, the House of Jacob, their sins, Isaiah 58:1.  Ellen White said that entire chapter is “OUR WORK.”  It is an abomination to refer to gross, unpardonable sin apostasy, as mere errors and defects!


"My message to you is: No longer consent to listen without protest to the perversion of truth. Unmask the pretentious sophistries which, if received, will lead ministers and physicians and medical missionary workers to ignore truth. Every one now is to stand on his guard. God call upon men and women to take their stand under the blood-stained banner of Prince Emmanuel. I have been instructed to warn our people for many are in danger of receiving theories and sophistries that undermine the foundation pillars or the faith." Ellen G. White, Series B, No. 2: 29.


“If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God.” (3T:281)

The message to the Laodiceans is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists who have had great light, and have not walked in the light. It is those who have made great profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that will be spewed out of His mouth unless they repent. The message to pronounce the church Babylon and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God. {1MR 300.3} If the message to pronounce the church Babylon and call the people of God out of her, does not come from any heavenly messenger, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.... where does it come from? To claim that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is Babylon, is to make the same claim as does Satan, who is an accuser of the brethren!! {TM 42.1}

Ron responds: Ellen White’s Instructor, the Holy Spirit, called the church a harlot on four different occasions. I have only quoted those statements by the Holy Spirit. God and Ellen White give the earmarks of apostasy that link the church to being a harlot. I would never dare call the true Seventh-day Adventist church that loves God and keeps His commandments and heeds the Laodicean message any part of Babylon, nor do I.  Calling a New Movement that has removed God, a part of Babylon, is another matter.  Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5.  Ellen White said that even if the church became Laodicean it would not stand in the favor any more than the fallen churches that have become the cage of every unclean and hateful bird, language God strictly reserves to define Babylon in Revelation 18:2.

Again, Ellen White said how the church could become NOT Babylon, but a sister to fallen Babylon:


Babylon statements:


"We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of Israel. Licentiousness, unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large degree...We are in danger of becoming a sister to fallen Babylon, of allowing our churches to become corrupted and filled with every foul spirit, a cage for every unclean and hateful bird, and will we be clear unless we make decided movements to cure the existing evil? E. G. White, Manuscript Releases No. 449, pp. 17, 18. (Letter 51, 1886 to Elder Butler) Testimonies on Sexual Behavior, Adultery, and Divorce, p. 193.


"If the church of God becomes LUKEWARM [LAODICEAN] it does not stand in favor with God any more than do the churches that are represented as having fallen and become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird. Those who have had opportunities to hear and receive the truth, and who have united with the Seventh-day Adventist church, calling themselves the commandment keeping people of God, and yet possess no more vitality and consecration to God than do the nominal churches, will receive of the plagues of God just as verily as the churches who oppose the law of God." E.G. White, Letter 35, 1898.


Did the church become Laodicean?  Has it remained Laodicean?


"The world must not be introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of unity. Through this means the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, 'a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.'" Testimonies to Ministers, p. 265.


The character of my work is to BUILD UP THE OLD WASTE PLACES AND TEAR DOWN a church that has committed the following unpardonable abominations, which become so after knowing the truth.


"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151.

  • Teaching two different gospels.
  • Teaching Celebration worship, an act of offering "strange fire" to God.  All who ever did such in Scripture were killed, forfeiting eternal life.  The church went to Babylon to learn how to offer that "strange fire!"
  • The Celebration Video that I will shortly make available quotes SDA leaders over and over, saying that the Celebration churches are being designed for the UNCHURCHED.  Watch for that word spoken a number of times on the DVD.  The gospel was to go to all the world, not just the UNCHURCHED.  And that is just one of the many abominations on that "strange fire" video presentation.
  • Teaching Rome's Trinity Doctrine, which subverts the great Sacrifice of the Son of God at His Incarnation, in AT THAT TIME, emptying Himself of His Divine Nature Holy Spirit ONLY  existence, and bequeathing it to us as a gift for overcoming sin, and without which, there would be no remedy for sin.
  • Joining itself to Babylon's Ministerial Associations, National and World Councils--confederacies, as well as a number of other Babylonian Church Federations around the world, in defiance of God's command of Isaiah 8:9-13, strictly forbidding such fraternity with His enemies on pain of being broken in pieces--CONNOTING UNPARDONABLE SIN.
  • For thus fulfilling everything the Jews did in Jeremiah 11:9-15 and Jeremiah 7, so that God's instruction is NOW, not to even pray for such a church people, except for individuals in all fallen churches who do not yet KNOW of their church's apostasy.
  • Ellen White says in Christ’s Object Lessons, pp. 405-6, that the voice of God and the bride, awaken the ten virgins.  She says in The Great Controversy, p. 426-7, that the bride cannot be the guests and that the guests cannot be the bride.  She says that the guests.  The bride, the 144,000, are special messengers to the church who awaken it.  Who awakens them first, so that they can awaken the ten virgins?  I’ve already given you the statement, but I will give it again:

"Characteristics of True Reformers.--Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old waste places. Who is it that calls [awakens] them, The repairers of the breach, The restorers of paths to dwell in? It is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151.


Scripture says in Matthew 25, that all those virgins slept and the voice of God and the bride awakens them.  What is the message?  “Behold the bridegroom cometh, go ye out to meet Him?  Out of what?  The world and churches that cannot be distinguished from the world and Isaiah 4:1-4, says that all formally organized churches, symbolized by seven women (God’s all inclusive, perfect number—women symbolizing churches) are eating their own bread, their own teachings of man, and wearing their own apparel, their own robes of Laodicean self-righteousness, rich, increased with good, flourishing, thinking that they are in need of nothing!  That is the attitude of the individual who write against me.  He defends the church to the hilt everyday on SDA Internet forums, as though the church was okay except for a few minor errors (faults) and defects.


Friends, what do we need when our prophetess, Ellen White, said that just before the close of probation, every uncouth thing will be being brought into SDA Campmeetings?  What do we need friend? A kick in the face?  It is too late to get in line with God “just before probation closes!”  Be sure to order the Celebration Video, made by a member of the church.  He filmed it at an Oregon SDA campmeeting youth tent.  You will never be the same after watching this video.  You will see Ellen White’s statement about what she saw “just before probation closes,” fulfilled right before your eyes.  The church service for the youth is like a rock concert with loud music, drums, and lewd gestures.  There are lewd drama skits. One with a young lady lying on the floor flailing her legs apart! There are high-placed SDA leaders present jiving to the loud rock music! Every uncouth thing?  Yes, friend, just as Ellen White stated. 


The maker of the video is an SDA Engineer.  He does an excellent job of proving from SDA periodical statements that North American SDA leaders are spearheading the project to establish 15 new Celebration churches, aimed at the “unchurched,” every month. Watch how many times the leaders mention “unchurched” in their statements as to whom the Celebration movement is targeted at. You need this video like you need your next breath of air.  Please order.  Just send a little for postage.  It is free otherwise.


God bless all the deep truth seekers,