An Examination of Robert Sessler's View on the Godhead

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The following article by Robert Sessler, begins with the title WHAT DOES TRINITY MEAN? I am presenting his article in its entirety after excerpting the part I fully disagree with and which is not according to the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. First I will present some pertinent scriptures and then the excerpt from Sessler that disagrees with the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. My comments will be in this blue print. Robert Sessler’s will be in black print.

 

Here are just a few factors you might keep in mind before getting into the real meat of the issue:

 

There is one Spirit:  Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

The word “the” eternal Spirit connotes ONE SPIRIT. So it is a fact that the father and son shared the same ONE eternal spirit essence and substance. It is that SAME SUBSTANCE element that makes them ONE GOD.

 

More evidence of ONE SPIRIT: Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

 

A Spirit means ONE SPIRIT. So God the Father and God the Son share ONE SPIRIT, and that Spirit is Holy.

 

 The Word also states in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one." So I ask, where does this leave the Holy Spirit since He is not mentioned?

 

 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen..." Here all three are mentioned in three different manners. Jesus bestowing grace, the Father, love, and the Holy Spirit administering communion.

 

The Spirit of God and the Spirit of the Lord at Work Before the Incarnation

 

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

Matthew 3:16-17, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

 

Here we have Jesus Christ present on Earth stepping out of the Jordan river after His baptism. Then we see the Holy Spirit above the Earth descending from the Heavens in the form of a dove. And finally we hear the voice of the Father in Heaven above the Earth declaring Jesus is His Son in whom He is well pleased.

 

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

 

Exd 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

 

Exd 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

 

Num 11:25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that [was] upon him, and gave [it] unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, [that], when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.

 

Num 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, [and] that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

 

Num 24:2 And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding [in his tents] according to their tribes; and the Spirit of God came upon him.

 

1Sa 11:6 And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly.

 

1Sa 10:6 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

 

1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

 

2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word [was] in my tongue.

 

The ONE SPIRIT of the Spirit of God and Christ Operative in Man at the Same Time

 

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The above verse demonstrates that it is impossible to have the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT without having the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ, because they are one and the same substance—ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT—GOD IS A SPIRIT.

 

Now here is Robert Sessler’s article with my comments interspersed:

 

WHAT  DOES  TRINITY  MEAN?

 

     In order to know what the doctrine of the Trinity is all about, we must have a correct definition of what it means.  Both Webster's and Funk and Wagnall's dictionary defines the Trinity as:

     "The state or character of being three."

 

     "Any union of three parts or elements in one..."

 

     "A threefold consubstantial (sharing the same substance) personality existing in one Divine Being or substance."

 

     "The union of one God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three infinite persons."

 

     So the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that three infinite persons, who all share the same substance, makes up one God; or one God divided into three parts.  It is extremely important that this point is clearly understood.  Trinity does not mean that there are three Gods, but it means that there is only one God which is shared among three persons.

 

1.   Main text

2.   Proof "Brief Bible readings" has been altered

3.   Scriptural breakdown

4.   E.G. White comments

5.   How the Trinity doctrine took over the SDA church

6.   Was Jesus or the Holy Spirit at one time NON-EXISTENT?

7.   The 'begotten' issue concerning Christ

8.   Is Jesus Christ a God?

9.   Links on topic

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I have been asked repeatedly as to what I believe regarding the Trinity. Is there such a thing? Am I a Trinitarian? If I were to put it in one statement, I would have to say that the Trinitarian doctrine is a Satanic invention of Rome designed to take away from the Godhead and it's purpose in the gift of salvation. However, merely saying that is "just my opinion" isn't it? And many of you that know me realize I never like to give my personal opinion or interpretation on anything in the Word of God. Why? Because to do so would allow scoffers the opportunity to ignore me by believing in their hearts that I am merely a man with an opinion. Therefore, I choose to give Scripture to back up what I preach. That way, they cannot say it is my opinion simply because I am not the one who wrote the Bible.

 

Fact is, it's rather easy to expose the deception of the trinity. All one needs do is simply share a few passages on the subject of the Godhead itself. So why not let the Word of the Creator do that which it is designed to do anyway? First however, we need to find out just what this Trinitarian belief entails. What does it mean when someone says they believe in the "Trinity."

 

Both Webtser's Dictionary as well as the Funk and Wagnall define the Trinity as:

 

1.   "The state or character of being three."

2.   "Any union of three parts or elements in one."

3.   "A threefold consubstantial (sharing the same substance) personality existing in one Divine Being or substance."

4.   "The union of one God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three infinite persons."

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And the Catholic Encyclopedia states the following regarding the Trinity...

 

1.   THE DOGMA OF THE TRINITY
The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion -- the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God."

 

The way I have been taught the trinity is the same as Rome teaches because I was born and raised Roman Catholic. Provable historical  fact is, ALL that embrace the Trinitarian theology are in fact embracing a Roman Catholic invention. I was taught God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are the same in office and supreme alike in all ways. From a child I was taught that Jesus has the same powers and abilities as well as administration duties as the Father and vise versa. It was also taught the Holy Spirit was 100% identical to all that the Father and the Son can do. Bottom line is, this Trinitarian doctrine declares that there are three infinite persons, sharing the same substance, same power, same administrational duties, gifts, and operations, yet making up only one single solitary God; or one God divided into three parts. This is where the 'god blob' theology originates. In essence, one God with three heads. Is this Biblical? Is this what is spoken as Truth by the Creator God Himself? Is there only one God yet three separate entities? Is it true that no matter where Jesus walked, His Father had to walk as well as His Spirit? Or is this a cleverly designed method by which the enemy can separate brethren and at the same time belittle or destroy the paternal relationship of the Father to His Son? Which in fact will also place our image of the Godhead on a lesser level.

 

The eternal question here would have to be, are there Scriptures declaring that there is more then one person in the Godhead? Is there evidence that each person of the Godhead assumes different responsibilities? And if so, are these separate persons ever revealed in Scriptures as being in the same place and time, as completely separate persons, thus PROVING the "one God - 3 person" trinity, or "god blob" theology to be a deception of the enemy? In other words... is there proof that the Father could be in one place... the Son in another... and the Holy Spirit in yet another, at the same moment in time? Let's look at a few verses that I believe paint a perfect picture as to who it is we worship. But before we do so, let's look at a favored area of Trinitarians in the Word that is used to fabricate such error as this.

 

Many that believe the Trinitarian doctrine use 1 John 5:7 as the basis of faith. They do so because of its seemingly easy appearance to be twisted. It simply says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Because this passage declares "these three are one," they seek to convince us that this means that all three are one single solitary God with all power, yet three separate beings at the same time. Does this theology carry in the Word? Looking to Matthew 19:5-6, we see written, "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?  Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh..." Using the worlds theological definition of the Trinity that states when using the term, "these three are one" must mean one God 100% in three beings. We must also assume that once a man and woman join in marriage, they become one  single solitary person yet "mysteriously" two beings because this passage uses the same theology. In the light of Truth this becomes obvious error quite easily doesn't it? The Word also states in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one." So I ask, where does this leave the Holy Spirit since He is not mentioned? Their theology is proven false by the mere use of the biblical jurisprudence  necessitated in Isaiah 28:10

 

 Isaiah 28:10, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

 

Romans 12:5 states, "So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another." So again I ask, does that make us all ONE single solitary Christian now? Yes, if we are Trinitarian in our belief, this is what we must preach if we are to stay true to our faith. Like the "god blob" we will be preaching a "church blob" as well. Or what of 1 Corinthians 10:17 where it proclaims, "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread." According to Trinitarian theology, we are ALL one bread as well now. Fact is, I can go on and on and on... or... I can go "precept upon precept, line upon line, and here a little and there a little" all over the Bible to prove that the trinity is error.

 

When the Scripture declares "these three are one" it actually means these three are in agreement, or in one accord. We mustn't put meanings to a passage so that is says what we want it to say. The Bible specifically warns against that very thing! This passage in 1 John chapter 5 is merely stating there are three separate persons of the Godhead in Heaven that are in agreement with each other as to the state of affairs governed from that eternal Holy City. No more.. no less.

 

To further illustrate the fact that the Godhead is made up of distinctly different beings with different divine offices, we read, 2 Corinthians 13:14 where it says, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen..." Here all three are mentioned in three different manners. Jesus bestowing grace, the Father, love, and the Holy Spirit administering communion.

 

Plus, what of Genesis 1:26 where it states, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..." Two words are graphically apparent here. "US" and "OUR" are used. And this is not the only occasion this occurs.

 

·      In Eden we see this proclaimed:
Genesis 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"

 

·      At the tower of Babel we see this:
Genesis 11:7, "Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

 

For the Father to proclaim "as one of US" or "let US go" or "Let US make man in OUR image" is to denote more than one person present during that conversation. The statement, "let us make" denotes an agreement in task as well. Plus, the word "God" in this passage is the same as is found in many passages, including Genesis 1:1...

 

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

 

1.   "God =  0430 'elohiym {el-o-heem'}  in STRONGS Concordance.

Elohim = "God's" (Plural "more then one God")

 

Even the word "God" proves there is more then one individual in the Godhead.

 

My absolute favorite passage on this subject would have to be the one that describes the events transpiring at the baptism of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. This passage proves the Godhead doctrine of three separate entities, in three different positions of the Godhead to be truth.

 

Matthew 3:16-17, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

 

Here we have Jesus Christ present on Earth stepping out of the Jordan river after His baptism. Then we see the Holy Spirit above the Earth descending from the Heavens in the form of a dove. And finally we hear the voice of the Father in Heaven above the Earth declaring Jesus is His Son in whom He is well pleased.

 

Ron’s Commentary: The verse says “…the Spirit of God descending like a dove…” Sessler changes the wording to the Holy Spirit. We have found from various Biblical texts that there is the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, and the Holy Spirit. If these are three distinct persons, it is a misnomer for Sessler to call the Spirit of God the Holy Spirit when they are two distinct persons. End comment.

 

Three areas in time and space AT THE SAME TIME.

 

1.   Jesus on the Earth itself

2.   The Holy Spirit in the sky above earth

3.   The Father in Heaven above both the earth and sky

 

Ron’s Commentary: Again, Sessler calls the Spirit of God the Holy Spirit in the sky above earth. Since there are three distinct persons, these spirits should be kept just as they are referred to in Scripture. End commentary.

 

All three persons of the Godhead in THREE DIFFERENT AREAS at the very same moment in time.

 

Another favorite passage of mine on this topic would have to be Isaiah 6:3 where it says, "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." Did you catch that?  That's one "holy" for each person of the Godhead! If there is only one God they would not have repeated the worshipful praise three times.

 

Ron’s Commentary: Jehovah God chose Israel because they believed in ONE GOD, monotheism. The three persons are ONE GOD, because they each have the same ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT. That Spirit is HOLY in all three persons of the Godhead.  The fault with the Trinity is not as Robert Sessler defines it—that the Trinity Doctrine says that there is ONE GOD. There is ONE GOD manifest in three distinct persons, because there God is a Spirit and there is ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT.  Notice the following quotes. Usually Robert Sessler and Vance Ferrell are quite thorough in presenting major E.G. White statement on any given issue they deal with, but the absence of the following statements are conspicuous in the issue of the Godhead on the part of both these men. This gives cause for serious concern in light of Ellen White’s following admonition by way of a formula for KNOWING that one is not in error:

 

Weight of Evidence Formula: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, [interpreter] since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent Review and Herald, 11-25-34, pr. 24.

 

Now, here are some of the hugely pertinent statements that Sessler and Ferrell have omitted from their studies on the Godhead, as of February 04, 2007:

 

 

"Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.

In the gift of the Spirit [HIS LIFE--THE SOUL OF HIS LIFE], Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could bestow....

The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail....

It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19, 1904, vol. 5, p. 42.

 

 

The Holy Spirit is the soul of the life (Being) of Christ’s former existence before His Incarnation. More proof below:

 

 

“Cumbered with humanity Christ could not be in every place personally, therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them to go to His Father and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit.” E.G. White, (Manuscript Releases Volume 14 (No’s 1081-1135) MR No.1084.

 

 

 

The Holy Spirit refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.  "It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is.  Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, 'the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name.'  'I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you' [John 14:16, 17].  This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.  Again Jesus says, 'I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.  Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth' [John 16:12, 13]."  Written from Petoskey, Michigan, June 11, 1891, by E.G. White to Brother Chapman.  E.G. White Manuscript Releases Volume 14, p. 175.

 

 

We may clearly deduce the following conclusion from the above statements:

 

 

·      When Christ took humanity at His Incarnation, He had to empty Himself of omnipresence because He could not be in every place personally. Where did that omnipresent Spirit go? It went to the Father as a bequeathed gift to us, His crowning, greatest good gift that heaven could bestow.

·      Why say that the Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity if she was not speaking of Christ’s former Divine Holy Spirit Being?

·      Why speak of another totally distinct person as His (personal possessive pronoun) Holy Spirit? Even though I do believe that person was distinct.

 

 

Two Sacrifices—The Incarnation and the Cross

 

 

"The Incarnation of Christ was an act of self-sacrifice." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, p. 186.

 

 

How and why was the incarnation of Christ a self-sacrifice? That is what Sessler’s and Ferrell’s versions bypass. That is what the SDA church militant’s version bypasses. That is what Babylon—Catholicism and mainline Protestantism bypasses—the greatest sacrifice ever made and without which, Christ’s death on the cross would have been of no avail.

 

 

"The darkness rolled away from the Saviour and from the Cross. Christ bowed His head and died. In His Incarnation He had reached the prescribed limit as a sacrifice, but not as a redeemer." E.G. White Manuscript Releases Volume Twelve, p. 409.

 

 

"The Incarnation of Christ was an act of self-sacrifice; His life was one of continual self-denial. The highest glory of the love of God to man was manifested in the sacrifice of His only-begotten Son, who was the express image of His person. This is the great mystery of godliness. It is the privilege and the duty of every professed follower of Christ to have the mind of Christ. Without self-denial and cross bearing we cannot be His disciples." E.G. White, Selected Messages, Book 2, p. 185.

 

The problem with the Trinity Doctrine and Sessler's version of the Godhead, is that both deny the sacrifice of the Son of God, when He emptied Himself of His Divine Nature ONLY life and soul at His Incarnation, and bequeathed it to us a His crowning, greatest good gift that heaven could bestow. It is this sacrifice that Sessler’s theory and the Trinity Doctrine theory bypass to the denigration of the greatest sacrifice of the Son of God.

 

"The sanctification of the soul by the working of the Holy Spirit is the implanting of Christ's nature in humanity."  E.G. White, God's Amazing Grace, p. 244; original source:  Manuscript 34, 1894.

 

 

Now who can ever again say that the Incarnation was not a sacrifice in and of itself--without the cross? The "prescribed limit" as a sacrifice, was just that!

 

 

How could Christ have reached the prescribed limit as a sacrifice in and by His Incarnation? There is only one way! What was the "prescribed limit" of the Everlasting Covenant? That the death of the Testator be effected--that the covenant was of no effect until the death of the Testator should take place. Who was the Testator? The Son of God. The prescribed limit as a sacrifice was death of the Testator. The only way the Son could have reached that prescribed limit as a sacrifice in His Incarnation, was that in His Incarnation He died to the first estate of His Being, His very Divine Nature, and took upon Himself Human Nature. That was a sacrifice in and of itself that satisfied the "prescribed limit as a sacrifice--but not as a redeemer. As our redeemer, Christ must prove that it was possible for man to have never fallen--that it is possible for man to overcome in human nature. Christ proved that and then died on the cross to pay the penalty for sin--our sin. He died in lieu of us dying. He died that we might live.

 

 

"He (Christ) suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which WAS His." Desire of Ages, p. 25; 1 Cor. 11:24-265, cf. John 6:53, 54, Titus 3:5, 6.

 

 

The life which WAS His, is the Holy Spirit Divine life and soul he sacrificed for us as the Testator, which reached the prescribed limit as a sacrifice. That would have paid the penalty for sin and permitted the universe to go on without experiencing further detriment because of sin. Our world could have been destroyed and the rest of the universe would have survived. But to redeem us, He also died on the cross, paying our penalty--suffering the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His.

 

Nothing could denigrate the Son’s greatest sacrifice more than to say or imply that it did not occur, by maintaining that the Holy Spirit, though eternally present with the Father and the Son, was always a third person and no sacrifice was involved to provide the gift of His Divine Nature for man.

 

The denial of the greatest, crowning sacrifice of the Son of God, is one of the worst heresies imaginable, and is all as antichrist as teaching that Christ did not come in the likeness of sinful flesh. End commentary. It is most ironic that Robert Sessler and company would brand the SDA church as Babylon, partly for its adoption of the Trinity Doctrine, and then teach something just as grievous against the Holy Spirit, and this is one of the worst grievances against the Holy Spirit, Ellen White’s clear definition of the Holy Spirit.

 

"Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father. He thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Nevertheless He voluntarily emptied Himself, and took the form of a servant. He was the incarnate God, the light of heaven and earth. In him are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." (Ellen G. White, Youth's Instructor,20th December 1900 'Christ's humiliation")

 

 

All who reject the Incarnation emptying of Himself for our benefit, deny the greatest good, crowning gift of the Son of God.

 

 

"Christ brought men and women power to overcome. He came to this world in human form, to live a man amongst men. He assumed the liabilities of human nature, to be proved and tried. In His humanity He was a partaker of the divine nature. In His Incarnation He gained in a NEW SENSE the title of the Son of God. Said the angel to Mary, 'The power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God' (Luke 1:35). While the Son of a human being, He became the son of God in a NEW SENSE. Thus He stood in our world--the Son of God, yet allied by birth to the human race." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 226.

 

 

A NEW SENSE in the matter of emptying Himself of His former Divine Nature Holy Spirit ONLY, and becoming united with humanity forever.

 

 

The Father and the Son each have a personality. Christ declared: "I and My Father are one." Yet it was the Son of God who came to the world in human form. Laying aside His royal robe and kingly crown, He clothed His divinity with humanity, that humanity through His infinite sacrifice might become partakers of the divine nature and escape the corruption that is in the world through lust.” (9T pages 67-68).

 

 

The Holy Spirit refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.  "It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is.  Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, 'the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name.'  'I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you' [John 14:16, 17].  This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter.  Again Jesus says, 'I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.  Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth' [John 16:12, 13]."  Written from Petoskey, Michigan, June 11, 1891, by E.G. White to Brother Chapman.  E.G. White Manuscript Releases Volume 14, p. 175. End commentary. I comment more further down.

 

By the way... common sense depicts one truth that exposes this Trinitarian error with great ease. If Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father are ONE SINGLE GOD combined, then riddle me this. Why is it the Father knows the date of the second coming, yet Jesus does not? It's truly that simple! Jesus said plainly in...

1.   Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

That passage alone proves Trinitarian theology a deception of the enemy. If Jesus and His Father were "one" as the world defines "one." Then Jesus WOULD know the day and the hour of His return! How can Trinitarian theology answer that? Simple common sense proves the Trinity doctrine is blunt error.

 

Ron’s Commentary:  The above by Sessler also proves that the Son laid aside (emptied Himself) of His Divine Nature “omni’s—omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience. Where did that power go? As a bequeathed gift to us kept in escrow by the Father, to be given to us after Christ ascended to the Father and pleaded that gift be given to us when His sacrifice was approved by the Father and He was once again glorified.

 

"The Holy Spirit is the breath of spiritual life in the soul. The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. It imbues the receiver with the attributes of Christ. Only those who are thus taught of God, those who possess the inward working of the Spirit, and in whose life the Christ-life is manifested, are to stand as representative men, to minister in behalf of the church." Desire of Ages, 805.

 

"He (Christ) suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which WAS His."  Desire of Ages, p. 25; 1 Cor. 11:24-265, cf. John 6:53, 54, Titus 3:5, 6.

 

 

One of the greatest evidences that Christ laid aside His Son of God life at His Incarnation, and that it remained in heaven while Christ was on earth, is John 3:13.  Jesus is speaking face to face with Nicodemus, yet He says the Son of Man is in heaven:

 

 

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."  John 3:13.

 

 

This proves the very scenario of the Godhead which I have taught.  Jesus came down from heaven, but His first Estate (Being) was still in heaven as He spoke with Nicodemus.  And folk like Jim and Norman have said that there is not one Bible verse that substantiates my teaching on the Godhead.  This verse agrees with Ellen White when she said that the Holy Spirit, the life, breath soul and mind of Christ, is the Holy Spirit.  I could rest my case but I will add much more evidence.

 

 

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

 

 

2Cr 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.

 

 

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 

 

John 15:26 "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me." If the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT OF TRUTH PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER, why does it have to proceed from the Father is there is a third person Holy Spirit who is the avenue through whom the Holy Spirit comes?

 

 

"In times past holy men of old spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. In ancient times the prophets searched what the spirit of God which was in them signified. The Spirit was not then given in power because Jesus was not yet glorified." E.G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 364.

 

 

Holy Spirit Before the Incarnation  Ancients prophets

 

 

"But Jesus, in His questions about the prophecies of Isaiah that pointed to His first appearing, flashed light into the minds of those who were willing to receive the truth.  He Himself had given these prophecies before His INCARNATION in humanity, and as the Holy Spirit brought these things to His mind, and impressed Him with regard to the great work that He was to accomplish, He imparted light and knowledge to those around Him."  E.G. White, Lift Him Up, p. 77.

 

 

"All communion between heaven and the fallen race has been through Christ. It was the Son of God that gave to our first parents the promise of redemption. It was He who revealed Himself to the patriarchs. Adam . . . understood the gospel...." E.G. White, The Faith I Life By, p. 47.

 

 

"He [Christ] Himself had given these prophecies before His Incarnation in humanity, and as the Holy Spirit brought these things to His mind, and impressed Him with regard to the great work that He was to accomplish, He imparted light and knowledge to those around Him." E.G. White, Lift Him Up, p. 77.

 

 

Jhn 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

 

 

John 15:26: "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me."

 

 

If the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT OF TRUTH PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER, why does it have to proceed from the Father is there is a third person Holy Spirit who is the avenue through whom the Holy Spirit comes according to the trinity doctrine?

 

 

Who is speaking in John 15:26? Christ. Why does He have to send the Holy Spirit, His Holy Spirit from the Father, when Christ is the way, the truth and the life? It is because Christ laid aside His Holy Spirit as a gift to us, and commended it to the Father as the executor of His will in dispensing this gift. If this were not so, the life, soul and mind of Christ could proceed directly from the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.

 

 

Consider the new two verses and what they say about the Holy Spirit:

 

 

Mark 13 :11: "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

 

 

Matthew 10:19-20: "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."

 

 

So we see that the Father speaks through the Holy Ghost, the life, breath, and soul of Christ, to us. So why do we need a separate Holy Spirit third person from eternity speaking to man. The reason the Father speaks to us through the Holy Ghost in the New Testament is because Jesus' humanity cumbers His Holy Spirit life that He laid aside for us as a gift. That Spirit Life was commended to the Father as a bequeathed gift for us, to regenerate us back into the image of God, and that is why Christ has to pray that the Holy Spirit be sent from the Father which speaketh in you. Why not bypass the Father and just have the Holy Spirit speak through us? Because the Holy Spirit (Ghost) life of Christ was commended (willed) to the Father to be dispensed to us at the Father's discretion, not the discretion of another third person of the Godhead. Were that third person the authority of the Holy Spirit, and if Christ possessed that Holy Spirit, He would not have to speak through the Father who would then speak through a third person Holy Spirit. But the truth of the matter is that the Holy Spirit of the Son was divested of His humanity and operated independently of Christ after the Incarnation as His successor in the earth. But since that successor was commended to the Father, that Holy Spirit can proceed only from the Father.

 

 

"The doctrine of the Trinity, a doctrine the knowledge of which is certainly necessary to salvation, is not explicitly and evidently laid down in Scripture, in the Protestant sense of private interpretation." Quoted from Doctrinal Catechism (Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, August 22, 1854 - "Only by faith can we accept the existence of the Trinity."(Adventist Review, Vol. 158, No. 31, p. 4)

 

 

Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

 

 

"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." II Cor. 3:17.

 

 

Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

 

Now combine the following Scripture with those stated above:

 

 

The trinity doctrine says the Son is not the Holy Spirit. How about Acts 20:28:

 

 

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

 

 

"The Holy Spirit is the breath of spiritual life in the soul. The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. It imbues the receiver with the attributes of Christ. Only those who are thus taught of God, those who possess the inward working of the Spirit, and in whose life the Christ-life is manifested, are to stand as representative men, to minister in behalf of the church." Desire of Ages, 805. End comment.

 

Who can we thank for such a doctrine as this? From the mouth of Rome itself, it is proclaimed...

 

The Trinity "is the central doctrine of Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the Church." Handbook For Today's Catholics, p 12.

 

Trinitarian theology is just another prophetic peek into the doctrines of demons coming from Roman Catholicism, and the Antichrist. Only one that hates the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit would preach such a lie as this. The Godhead theology simply proclaims the Father has a Son that is in direct agreement with Him and His Holy Spirit. Ellen White put it ever so plainly when she said...  

 

"The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon His Son.... The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own  presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the  Father. His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host."  - E.G. White, the Story of Redemption, p.13. 

 

Is this no different than a worldly governmental structure? Is this no different than what mankind defines as an "Ambassador of State?" Does not an ambassador have absolute full authority of the Country he represents to proclaim that which his government has sent him to proclaim?

 

In other words...

 

1.   God the Father is SUPREME

2.   God the Son is Supreme in AUTHORITY

 

Nowhere in Scriptures do we see the trinity doctrine confirmed. Nowhere can we see the Godhead merged into one person, or merely one God, or a "god blob." Not a single "line upon line, or precept upon precept" can confirm this righteously.

 

For those that would say I am belittling Christ in my beliefs, or taking away from His divinity, I would have to say, did not the Father say, "Let US make man in OUR image." If the Father wasn't looking to downgrade Christ or His divinity when He placed Him by His side. Why should I? Jesus Christ is His Father's representative to mankind is He not? He is supreme in authority, He represents the Father's will perfectly. He is the Son of God.

 

Ron’s Commentary: The way in which Sessler and the Trinity Doctrine BOTH belittle Christ, is by denying the great sacrifice that involved the bequeathing of His Divine Nature Holy Spirit life and soul as a gift to us at His Incarnation.  End comment.

 

1.   John 14:7, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."

2.   John 14:9, "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"

3.    

All praise to God the Father... His Son Jesus Christ... and the Holy Spirit! ALL Three merit perfect praise. Holy, Holy, Holy!

 

Jesus part of the Godhead perfectly?

 

I must say, when it comes to validating this truth about the Godhead, one passage found in the book of Hebrews stands as a bright beacon shining clear light on all the passages discussed thus far. It not only helps to solidify the truth in the heart, it boldly proclaims it clear unmistakable expression.

 

Hebrews 1:8-9, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

 

This verse proves Jesus Christ is considered an absolute separate part of the Godhead. The Father Himself (he saith) is calling His Son, "O God" in this passage. This passage also declares God the Father is the God of Jesus Christ as well when it says, " therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness..." Did you catch that? One God is speaking to the other God, saying that "thy God" has anointed Him, His Son! The wording of this passage makes it so clear that there is more then ONE God in the Godhead thereby blasting the godblob theology completely and utterly out of existence. This passage in Hebrews 1:8,9 proves yet another deception fabricated in Roman theology. The Roman Catholic church states the following regarding the Trinity...

 

"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith; Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. But this is the catholic faith: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity...So the Father is God: the Son is God: and the Holy Ghost is God; And yet there are not three Gods; but one God…So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, there are three Gods, or three Lords…He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity." The Athanasian Creed, quoted in History of the Christian Church, Volume 3, Section 132, page 690-693, by Philip Schaff.

 

In God there are three persons, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, equal in all perfections." The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p 31 by Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., Imprimatur - September 16, 1957.

 

Rome clearly states they teach and believe the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are "equal in all perfections."

 

In Hebrews chapter one we found that God the Father was telling God the Son that He is His God. That proves He is more powerful then Jesus, and therefore not "equal in all perfections" as Rome assumes. Stepping back for a moment to look at this one can see that God the Father MUST be more powerful then God the Son because He is His Son's God. So... If we now understand that the "equality issue" is in fact nothing more then a lie of Rome, then we must also agree there is more then ONE God because it is in Hebrews chapter one we learned they lied. Plus, we also have the reality before us that if in fact God the Father is a more powerful God then the God the Son, this means there must be more then ONE God in the Godhead because Hebrews chapter one has just stated there are at least TWO.

 

As many are already aware, Jesus Christ is in fact God. But what most are unaware of is that Hebrews chapter one declared plainly that Jesus Christ also has a God, and it is His Father! To further verify this fact, did not Jesus cry out to His God from the cross right before He died for our sins?

 

Mark 15:34, "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

 

Why are three different areas of the Godhead needed?

 

ALL THREE persons of the Godhead are needed for our Salvation. But are they ALL supreme in all ways as Trinitarian theology purports? Fact is, there are things the Father cannot do that Jesus must do, and the Holy Spirit has His work as well in our Salvation that neither the Father or the Son can do. For example, looking into the Word we see numerous areas that state God cannot die, "but we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." -Hebrews 2:9.

 

Ron’s Commentary: The living fact that Jesus was indeed made lower than the angels tells us what was laid aside (emptied) by Him as His Incarnation. It was His Holy Spirit life and soul that had existed from eternity. Sure it was present when the Everlasting Covenant was forged from the foundation of the earth. But is was not yet a third person even though His Spirit was given to the prophets and moved upon the face of the waters at Creation, Gen. 1:2.

 

"The Holy Spirit is the breath of spiritual life in the soul. The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. It imbues the receiver with the attributes of Christ. Only those who are thus taught of God, those who possess the inward working of the Spirit, and in whose life the Christ-life is manifested, are to stand as representative men, to minister in behalf of the church." Desire of Ages, 805. End comment.

 

It is also written in James 1:13 that, "...God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" yet Matthew 4:1 says that, "...Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil."

 

Since the Father cannot die, Jesus had to take on human form so that He could die for us. Our sins caused Jesus to take this position. The wages of sin is death! The Father loves us so much that He gave us His only Son to take our place in the death we deserve. An easy way to understand this threefold union of the Godhead is like this...

 

Ron’s Commentary: The Father and the Son were always totally different distinct persons. The Son could have died without taking on human form. But He took that form in the likeness of sinful flesh to prove that with the aid of His Spirit, the same Holy Spirit He availed Himself of as a man, we can overcome by the very same means He did, HIS DIVINE NATURE HOLY SPIRIT, which is proffered to man for overcoming the lust of the world, to wit:

 

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.  End Comment by Ron.

 

 

1.   God the Father, provides for us

2.   God the Son, has died for us

3.   God the Spirit, is a guide for us

 

The Trinity states ALL THREE are 100% God in same power and abilities. Yet there are things the Father does that the Son cannot, and vise versa. Plus the Holy Spirit does things neither the Father or the Son could do. Yet ALL THREE are in "one accord," or in AGREEMENT. Truth is, we need all three to be in one accord for our Salvation. This is again proven truth when you contemplate the wisdom of 1 Corinthians 12: 4-6.

 

Ron’s Commentary: If Robert Sessler would answer the question: WHY ARE THRE THINGS THE SON CANNOT DO, he would arrive at the truth regarding the Godhead. End comment.

 

1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

 

1 Corinthians 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

 

1 Corinthians 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

 

Three different aspects to the Godhead with three different offices to perform, and all three glorify the Father "which worketh all in all." Another simple way to understand this is this. As we know, the Trinitarian theology states ALL THREE are God in same power and abilities. Looking to nature one can see simple evidence that this is a lie. Look at H2O (water) for example. Is water the same in all it's natural states? Can it be used in the exact same manner no matter what state it's in at the time like the Trinitarian theology declares of God? What am I talking about?

 

H2O can exist in three different realities...

 

1.   Ice

2.   Liquid

3.   or Steam

 

Can you skate on water when it's in its liquid state? Can you drink steam in it's gaseous state? Can you swim in a solid block of ice? No, of course not. They are not "equal" in all their phases and or abilities are they? Yet ALL THREE are H2O are they not? There are limitations to ice that water does not realize, and vise versa. Plus steam has it's own abilities as well that both water and ice cannot perform. If it's easy for us to understand the basic properties and "offices" of nature itself, why is it we have such a hard time understanding the "offices" of God - who in fact created nature in the first place?

 

Ron’s Commentary: Ellen White said that we should not use such metaphors to define the Godhead. End comment.

 

Christians need to dwell on that which has been made known to us by the Father in His Word, and ignore that which He has not made known.

 

Deuteronomy 29:29, "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law."

 

Fact is, He is all knowing is He not? If He chose to keep certain things from us, THERE MUST BE A REASON! And if He hid these things, you can rest assured they are past finding out.

 

Romans 11:33, "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

 

Besides, if He truly wants us to know certain secrets, He will do so when we are better able to understand them without evil influence. Perhaps we shall learn such secrets in heaven when we don't have all the temptations that are designed to pull our focus off of God, thereby clouding our understanding.

 


 

"Brief Bible Readings for the Home" have been ALTERED.

 

Below is an actual scan of pages 107 and 108 of (the unaltered) version of "Bible Readings for the Home" (Below's excerpt came from Harvestime Books Altamont TN 37301) It shares awesome Truth concerning the sinless life of Jesus Christ. It also shares concrete Biblical evidence as to the humanity of Christ as well. It also confirms the book "Bible readings for the home" has been ALTERED by Roman infiltrators within the SDA church. Match these pages with your copy. Is yours altered?

 

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Bible Readings for the Home -Harvestime Books, Altamont TN 37301  page 108

 

Bible Readings for the Home  -Harvestime Books, Altamont TN 37301  page 107


 

1. God, the Father Supreme

Supreme in all ways.

 

1.   John 4:24, "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

2.   Psalms 139:1-12, "<To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> O LORD, thou hast searched me, and known me. Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off. Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways. For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it. Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee."

 

2. God, the Son, Jesus Christ, Supreme in Authority

 

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, one in complete agreement with the eternal Father. Through Christ all things were created. Retaining His divine nature, Christ took upon Himself human nature, was made flesh, and lived on earth as a man but without sin, being an example for us. Was made flesh because "God cannot die, or tempted of evil" so Christ took on flesh so that He could walk in our shoes. He died for our sins on the cross, rose again from the dead, and ascended to the Father where He lives to make intercession for us.

 

1.   Exodus 20:2-3, "I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

2.   Isaiah 45:5-12,18,20-22 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."

3.   Hebrews 1:1-3,5, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

4.   Hebrews 2:9, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

5.   Colossians 1:15-17, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

6.   Matthew 1:18-23, "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.  Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.  And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.  Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

7.   John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth."

8.   1 Timothy 2:5, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

9.   1 Timothy 3:16, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

10.                   Hebrews 7:25, "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."

11.                   John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

12.                   Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

 

3. God, the Holy Spirit, Divine

 

The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative upon earth, and is one in purpose with the Father and the Son. He is the Regenerator in the work of redemption.

 

1.   John 3:5-8, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

2.   John 14:16,26, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

 

Ron’s Commentary: Indeed, turn to John 14 (as quoted above) for the rest of the story! As verse 16 says, Jesus said He would pray the father that ANOTHER COMFORTER would be given us. Then in verse 18, which Sessler does not mention, Jesus says: “I will come to you.” This proves that His former life and soul Holy Spirit is Himself formerly, before His Incarnation, but like another distinct person after His Incarnation, because He emptied Himself of the attributes of that Person as a gift for us for regeneration back into His image.

 

Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 

Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

 

The “another Comforter is non-other but the Divine Nature Holy Spirit Life and  Soul of the Son of God’s estate before the Incarnation, which He emptied Himself of as a bequeathed gift to us—His greatest good, CROWNING GIFT, without which His death on the cross would have been of no avail except to pardon sin forever. That gift is the cure for sin.

 

 

"The Power of God in the Third Person.--The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.-- Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897).

 

 

Bible text

Act 3:26  Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

 

"But through the power of the incarnation of Christ, God manifest in the flesh, the strength of God is revealed in gentleness and beauty. To 'as many as received him, to them gave he POWER to become the sons of God.' By this POWER we may OVERCOME OUR EVIL TENDENCIES and so modify our imperfect dispositions that the will of God may be fulfilled in us."--Letter 79, May 7, 1903, to J.A. Burden and wife. The Upward Look, 141.

 

 

July 16, 1892: The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be. {8MR 49.3}

 

     “The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ's name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. We may have the Holy Spirit if we ask for it and make it [a] habit to turn to and trust in God rather than in any finite human agent who may make mistakes.” {20MR 324.2}

 

Why does the Holy Spirit—“another Comforter,” personify Christ? Because that was His Being before His Incarnation. That is the Being He emptied Himself of at the Incarnation in order to be cumbered with humanity.

 

“It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, "the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name." "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth" [John 16:12, 13]. {14MR 179.2}

 

 

The Holy Spirit is the “Holy Ghost” LIFE AND SOUL of the Son of Man before His Incarnation.

 

And why would Sessler and Ferrell not include the above statement the following Bible verse?:

 

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. End comment.

 

3.   John 16:7-13, "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.  And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:  Of sin, because they believe not on me;  Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;  Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

4.   1 Corinthians 2:10-11, "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."

5.   2 Corinthians 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas."

6.   Matthew 28:19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

 

These three persons, God the Father; Jesus Christ the Son; and the Holy Spirit are the Godhead.

 


 

For our SDR friends, Sister White declares...

 

There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.-- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905)  -Evangelism 615.1

 

Those who proclaim the third angel's message must put on the whole armor of God, that they may stand boldly at their post, in the face of detraction and falsehood, fighting the good fight of faith, resisting the enemy with the word, "It is written." Keep yourselves where the three great powers of heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, can be your efficiency. These powers work with the one who gives himself unreservedly to God. The strength of heaven is at the command of God's believing ones. The man who takes God as his trust is barricaded by an impregnable wall.--The Southern Watchman, Feb. 23, 1904, p. 122.

 

 Our sanctification is the work of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is the fulfillment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness.  -Signs of the Times, June 19, 1901 par. 4

 

"Many claim that it was impossible for Christ to be overcome by temptation. Then He could have not been placed in Adam's position; He could not have gained the victory that Adam failed to gain. If we have any sense a more trying conflict than had Christ, then He would not be able to succor us. But our Saviour took humanity, with all its liablitiies. He took the nature of man, with the possibility of yielding to temptation. We have nothing to bear which He has not endured." -Ellen G. White, Desire of Ages p.95

 

Sister White also declares the following regarding the Holy Spirit...

 

The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.” -Acts of the Apostles p 52

 

Ron’s Commentary: Robert Sessler is guilty of placing the wrong interpretation on the Godhead by eliminating Ellen White’s clearest definition of the Holy Spirit. That definition is:

 

"The Holy Spirit is the breath of spiritual life in the soul. The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. It imbues the receiver with the attributes of Christ. Only those who are thus taught of God, those who possess the inward working of the Spirit, and in whose life the Christ-life is manifested, are to stand as representative men, to minister in behalf of the church." Desire of Ages, 805.

 

 

The attributes of the Son of God are what He divested Himself of (emptied Himself of—laid aside) for us at His Incarnation. Here’s another to plain to miss, in Sessler’s vernacular “too blunt to misunderstand.”

 

 

"Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin.

In the gift of the Spirit [HIS LIFE--THE SOUL OF HIS LIFE], Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could bestow....

The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail....

It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19, 1904, vol. 5, p. 42. End Comment.

 

“The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God.” -Manuscript p 20- 1906

 

“In 1888 in the General Conference held at Minneapolis, Minn, the angel of Revelation 18 came down to do His work, and was ridiculed, criticized and rejected. And when the message He brings again, swells into a loud cry, it will again be ridiculed, spoken against and be rejected by the majority.” -Ellen G. White in Taking up a Reproach. 1888.

 

It is to say, to reject, to despise or to minimize to the Holy Spirit will untie an effect dominoes in all the whole of truths that have been accepted. Beginning by this: “The Holy Ghost is the author of the Scriptures and of the Spirit of Prophecy" -Selected Messages Vol. 3 p 30.

 


 

How the Trinity Doctrine Took Over the Adventist Church

 

 The Trinity doctrine did not exist in the SDA Church from its inception.  It was not a doctrine at all during Ellen G. White’s lifetime to her death in 1915.

 

The pioneers of the SDA Church, R.F. Cottrell, Sr., and Jr., D.T. Bordeau, D.M. Canright, J.N. Andrews, Loughborough, John Matteson, A.C. Bordeau, A.T. Jones, W.W. Prescott, E.G. White, James White, and Uriah Smith, were all in agreement that it was that “old Trinitarian absurdity” perpetrated from Rome.  The Apostle Paul saluted the brethren, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ,” Romans 1:7.  Paul was no Trinitarian!  Adventist P.S. Cottrell wrote in the July 6, 1869, issue of Review & Herald, “ To hold to the doctrine of the Trinity is not so much an evidence of evil intention as of intoxication from that wine of which all nations have drunk.  The fact that it was one of the leading doctrines, if not the very chief, upon which the bishop of Rome was exalted to the popedom, does not say much in its favor . . . .  This should cause men to investigate it for themselves, as when the spirits of devils working miracles undertake the advocacy of the immortality of the soul.”

 

In 1931, after the death of anti-Trinitarian pioneer Uriah Smith, the SDA Church attracted Trinitarians, who began promoting their doctrines, while falsely accusing the pioneers of being “Arian,” claiming that Arius taught that “the Holy Spirit was a creation of the Son.”  In 1946, in the book, Evangelism, editors LeRoy Edwin Froom and Roy Allen Anderson compiled E.G. White’s statements removed from their original context, and intentionally inserted the word “Trinity” in subtitles, to advance the Trinity doctrine, even though she and all the pioneers were anti-Trinitarian.  Perhaps it was a coincidence, but Froom wrote his book after a return from a trip to the Vatican.  Ex-Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera testified on video that the Jesuit Order was instructed by the Black Pope to infiltrate the SDA Church, and bring it over to Rome.

 

The Trinity Doctrine is essential to unification of all Churches under Rome.  As Roman Catholic Graham Greene wrote, “Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture . . . .  But the Protestant Churches have themselves accept­ed such dogmas, as the Trinity, for which there no such precise authority in the Gospels,” (“Assumption of Mary,” Life magazine, October 30, 1950, p. 51).

 

In 1958, the Trinity was unofficially introduced into the Church when the book, Questions On Doctrine, was published at the request of evangelicals Barnhouse and Martin, who were preparing to write their book, Kingdom of the Cults, and call the SDA Church a “cult,” until the SDA Church leaders quickly changed SDA doctrines.  This avoided the stigma of being labeled a “cult,” as Barnhouse and Martin would label all anti-Trinitarians.

 

In 1968, the SDA Church officially joined the World Council of Churches and National Council of Churches, which require every church to include the Trinity in their statement of beliefs in order to become member churches.

 

In 1981, SDA General Conference President, Neal C. Wilson, announced to the General Conference meeting in Dallas, Texas, that the Church had officially adopted the Trinity doctrine, which was now #2 in the Church’s “27 Fundamental Beliefs.”  Wilson said, “There is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” (Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p. 3).

 


 

Food for thought. IS the "Trinity" an ecumenical tactic? Can you see how ALL the worlds churches are embracing it now? Why now?

 


 

Was Jesus or the Holy Spirit at one time NON-EXISTENT?

 

For those SDA brothers and sisters that believe Jesus was at one time non-existent, or you believe that the Holy Spirit was at one time merely an "essence" or non-existent until the incarnation of Christ. Please review the following questions. I pray Sister White's comments are sufficient. They seem rather blunt to me.

 

Ron’s Commentary: Sessler has misstated my teaching above and has thereby shown that he has never understood what I teach. The Holy Spirit was the Divine Nature Life and Soul of the Son of God before His Incarnation. He was a person, and thus the Holy Spirit was present when the Everlasting Covenant was forged from the foundation of the earth. So was the Son present! The three were present but they were not yet three distinct persons. To teach that they were, denies the greatest good, crowning gift that heaven could bestow—the give of the life and soul Holy Spirit of the Son of God to man for the purpose of regenerating him back into the image of God.

 

"The Holy Spirit is the breath of spiritual life in the soul. The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. It imbues the receiver with the attributes of Christ. Only those who are thus taught of God, those who possess the inward working of the Spirit, and in whose life the Christ-life is manifested, are to stand as representative men, to minister in behalf of the church." Desire of Ages, 805.

 

 

One of Sessler’s men called me in the latter 1980’s and wanted me to join their organization, and I would not because of their false teaching on the Godhead and because I believe they overreach on some E.G. White statements in an effort to try to prove their points. The overreaching is not necessary. End Comment.

 

Q- DO YOU BELIEVE THE SON OF GOD WAS AT ONE TIME NON-EXISTENT, BUT THE FATHER WAS ALIVE?

 

Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.--Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.  {Ev 615.2}



Before this the Spirit had been in the world; from the very beginning of the work of redemption He had been moving upon men's hearts. But while Christ was on earth, the disciples had desired no other helper. Not until they were deprived of His presence would they feel their need of the Spirit, and then He would come. -Desire of Ages 669.1

 

Ron’s Commentary: For the record, I believe that the Son existed eternally with the Father. There was a short period of time when I misread the statement that the Son came from the Father’s bosom, but as soon as I read Ellen White’s statement applying that to the Incarnation, I immediately corrected my position. Ellen White did not accept the Sabbath immediately, and for a short time she believe that there was a shut door on salvation, so a short time error held, but corrected, is no sign that God is not using an individuals to deliver a message. Ellen White is huge proof of that!

 

Conclusions: Robert Sessler has misinterpreted Ellen White’s statements on the Godhead THAT HE EMPLOYS, AND HE OMITS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES THAT CLEARLY DEFINE THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE LIFE AND SOUL OF JESUS CHRIST. Vance Ferrell does the same thing. The SDA church does the same, and all of mainstream Christianity fails in the understanding of the truth on the Godhead, around which all one believes clusters.

 

I don’t believe Robert Sessler is a Jesuit, but I will say that no Jesuit could be any more cunning than Sessler and Vance Ferrell in twisting Ellen White and Scripture on the Godhead, and leaving out serious considerations from both those sources. My mission is to unmask the errors and set truth in its proper frameworks. This rebuttal to Sessler and Ferrell has fulfilled a huge part of that mission.

 

 Q- WHEN THE PLAN OF REDEMPTION WAS MADE BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD, WAS THE HOLY SPIRIT PRESENT AT THAT TIME?

 

 The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, should give Himself an offering for sin. -Counsels on Health 1923- p 222

 

Ron’s Commentary: Absolutely, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit Divine Nature of the Son gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption from the foundation of the earth. In like manner, the Bible says that the Son of man was slain from the foundation of the world.

 

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

Was Jesus literally slain from the foundation of the earth? Since time is really not a factor for God, and since Christ was omniscient, all knowing, He could anticipate the result of His trial as a man from the time He agreed to do it. In that sense, He was slain from the foundation of the world. The same is true of His volunteering to empty Himself of His Divine Nature Holy Spirit at that time as a bequeathed gift for sinful man to regenerate them back into His Father’s image. It was as good as done. So in the same manner that the Son (the lamb) was slain from the foundation of the world, so was the Holy Spirit life and soul of the Son of God, volunteered as a ransom for our death penalty. What is that penalty? Eternal death. He had to die eternally to something to atone for an eternal death penalty. He died to His Holy Spirit DIVINE ONLY life and soul, to become united with man—FOREVER. This met all the prescribed limits of the Testator agreement and the atonement paid penalty. Three days on the cross would not equal the penalty for sin which is eternal death.

 

Sessler and Ferrell are usually quite exhaustive in including ALL the evidence, but they both seriously failed to do so on this most important issue of all issue—the personality of God and His son Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit gift to us. All who in any way support such serious error are alike guilty for its perpetration. Such error works counter to the greatest good, crowning gift that heaven could bestow. This is serious. End comment.

 

Ron’s commentary completed.

 

"Life, Original, Unborrowed, Underived.--Jesus declared, "I am the resurrection, and the life." In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. "He that hath the Son hath life." The divinity of Christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life."--The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898)  {Ev 616.2}

 

"The Pre-existent, Self-existent Son of God.--Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him." --Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.  {Ev 615.2}



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He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent. . . . He is the eternal, self-existent Son." --Manuscript 101, 1897.  {Ev 615.3}

 


The "begotten" issue of Christ

 

There has been a movement among believers lately to get them to believe that Jesus was at one time not only non-existent, but created by the Father at one time. The thought stems around the use of Psalms 2:7 and the term "begotten" in that passage.

 

1.   Psalms 2:7, "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."

 

Is this passage saying Jesus was at one time non-existent, and in turn had to be brought into existence by the Father? Or is this passage prophesying that at some time in the future, Christ will be "begotten" of the Father in some way. Note the following New Testament passage that actually refers to Psalms 2:7...

 

Acts 13:33, "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."

 

According to Acts 13:33, Jesus was indeed "begotten" on the day He became the first-fruits of all them that slept in the grave! This make perfect sense seeing how He was unable to be "begotten" into existence in any other sense of the word. Not only does Paul confirm this, he does so by using the very verse Satan has been convincing others to use out of context today. They are saying Psalms 2:7 states Jesus was "non-existent" at one time, yet Paul says Psalms 2:7 is saying Jesus was begotten by the Father on the very day He rose Him from the grave. No cloud of confusion is present once we have a "line upon line" is there?

 

1 Corinthians 15:20, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

 

Truth is so powerful and quite the eternal blessing for all! Not only can it expose transparent lies with childlike ease, it glorifies the Father of that truth in Heaven. Most Christians already realize that Christ was the Creator of all things, because the Word says so...

 

John 1:3, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

 

With the realization of that fact in mind, how can anyone continue to believe that Jesus was at one time non-existent if in fact He is Creator of ALL things in the first place? It literally makes no sense if you simply sit back and look at it without preconceived ideas designed to cloud the issue. Seriously. Since the Word proves He is the only Creator, how did He create things, or set things in motion while being non-existent that would eventually bring about His creation? If He was non-existent at one time, someone had to be creating things BEFORE He arrived all along. If that is so, then John 1:3 is a lie! The Word clearly says He created EVERYTHING and NOTHING was made that He didn't create. This includes all that was supposedly present before His creation, if in fact He needed to be created. You see how transparent lies truly are once the Light of Truth shines upon them? Confusion is blasted away as easy as darkness flees at the lighting of the candle. Truth never has this problem with hard core reality, it's the same yesterday, today, and forever!

 

John 5:26 has also been placed at the forefront as a passage that can be used to proclaim Christ non-existent at one time in time.

 

John 5:26, "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

 

In STRONG'S Concordance we see the word

"HAVE" (#2192) can be translated as, "to hold" "keep" or even "possess." If any of these definitions are used, STRONG'S stresses the point further by stating it is, "used of those joined to any one by the bonds of natural blood or marriage or friendship or duty or law etc, of attendance or companionship " This leads me to ask the question... Are not the Father and Son in agreement and joined as "natural blood" or a as a "friendship, duty, law, or companionship?" In other words, would it not be better understood to say the Father is in agreement that Jesus will use the life already within Himself as a Creator God to bring His children from the grave on that great and dreadful day? If we read just a verse preceding the passage we see this to be the context...

 

John 5:25-26, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.  For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;"

 

The Word clearly says the dead in Christ will come to a day where they will actually hear the voice of the Creator, (Jesus) and what happens when they hear this wonderful voice? The Word says they "shall live" does it not? And then it goes on to say that they live because the Father is already in agreement with His Son that by the sound of His voice they shall live. What else can they do but respond to such a voice that created them on day one anyway. This is why this wonderful Saviour called Lazarus BY NAME on that day. Had Jesus just said "come forth" ALL the graves would have ripped open because He is the source of all life on earth!

 

Another way to translate the passage using the Greek would be to say, "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to be the source of life in himself." This is more plausible to embrace because the context of the preceding and following verses makes better sense when stated in this way.

 

E.G. White puts it best by stating...

 


 

"Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him" -Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.  {Ev 615.2}

 

  "God and Christ knew from the beginning, of the apostasy of Satan and of the fall of Adam through the deceptive power of the apostate. The plan of salvation was designed to redeem the fallen race, to give them another trial. Christ was appointed to the office of Mediator from the creation of God, set up from everlasting to be our substitute and surety. Before the world was made, it was arranged that the divinity of Christ should be enshrouded in humanity. "A body," said Christ, "hast thou prepared me" (Heb. 10:5). But He did not come in human form until the fullness of time had expired. Then He came to our world, a babe in Bethlehem.

 

     No one born into the world, not even the most gifted of God's children, has ever been accorded such demonstration of joy as greeted the Babe born in Bethlehem. Angels of God sang His praises over the hills and plains of Bethlehem. "Glory to God in the highest," they sang, "and on earth peace, good will toward men" (Luke 2:14). O that today the human family could recognize this song! The declaration then made, the note then struck, the tune then started, will swell and extend to the end of time, and resound to the ends of the earth. It is glory to God, it is peace on earth, good will to men. When the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings, the song then started in the hills of Bethlehem will be reechoed by the voice of a great multitude, as the voice of many waters, saying, "Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth" (Rev. 19:6).

 

     By His obedience to all the commandments of God, Christ wrought out a redemption for men. This was not done by going out of Himself to another, but by taking humanity into Himself. Thus Christ gave to humanity an existence out of Himself. To bring humanity into Christ, to bring the fallen race into oneness with divinity, is the work of redemption. Christ took human nature that men might be one with Him as He is one with the Father, that God may love man as He loves His only-begotten Son, that men may be partakers of the divine nature, and be complete in Him.

 

     The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only-begotten Son of God, binds the human agent, body, soul, and spirit, to the perfect, divine-human nature of Christ. This union is represented by the union of the vine and the branches. Finite man is united to the manhood of Christ. Through faith human nature is assimilated with Christ's nature. We are made one with God in Christ."  -Selected Messages book 1, p250 – 251

 


 

Is Jesus Christ God?

 

 Just a "few" of the MANY passages that reflect His eternal truth...

 

Acts 7:59, "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

 

Stephen calls upon GOD, and according to this passage the God he chose to speak to was JESUS.

 

 Romans 2:16, "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."

 

 God judges. What is that Judge's name?

 

2 Timothy 4:1, "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;"

John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

 

John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth."

 

1 Timothy 3:16, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

 

Hebrews 1:8-9, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

 

Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

 

1Timothy 2:3, "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;"

 

 Who is this Saviour?

 

Acts 13:23, "Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:"

 

Titus 2:13, "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;"

 

Mark 12:29, "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"

 

Who is that Lord?

 

Acts 2:36, "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

 

Acts 16:31, "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

 

Romans 1:3, "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;"