How to Respond to The Shepherd's
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Dear Reader, I have been conversing with a Davidian
Seventh-day Adventist on the Internet.
This document will demonstrate a huge error in the interpretations of
their prophet, one Victor Houteff.
Davidian Adventists regularly attend the Seventh-day Adventist church
and believe that they will purge and purify that church before probation
closes. ----- Original Message ----- To: Sda Issues Sent:
Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:54 AM Subject: [SDAIssues]
The Ezk. 9 Question Hi Ron A while ago you sent: “Walt, Ellen White saw
Ezekiel 9 fulfilled after the close of probation, per The Great Controversy,
p. 656. How do you reconcile this fact with Victor Houtef'f’s
teaching that it occurs before probation closes. Yesterday you
expressed the need for accuracy in handling the truth. Please give an
accurate resolution to the contradiction Houteff
makes to Ellen White's timing for Ezekiel 9. Shepherd's Rod
book, Vol. 1 35 Ezekiel 9
cannot meet its fulfillment at the time Christ comes in the clouds, for the
slaughter is in the church. The When the concept of “type” and “antitype” is
understood, along with the point that there necessarily must be more than
one close of probation, that is: probation does not close for all at the
same time, the statement on 656 can more easily be understood in its
relation to some of the others she has also made according to the subject. [In Testimonies 3 & 5 she speaks the
same in regards to a pure house, Achan etc.] It is to be noted who are modern “ The Shepherd Rod concept of the terms “Israel” and
“Judah” give insight into the matter, for it clearly sets the terms as both
literal and symbolic, and would state that in one representation, “Judah”
relates more to the SDA denomination (the southern kingdom), while “Israel”
coincides with the other denominations (the northern tribes). [We can see something similar in the
historical picture that has been left.
All we have to do is to take a close look at the divided kingdom to
see that one {the greater portion}, was into a false way from the start, were
literally scattered, and are now thought to be of no account – a thing of nought.] And
yet it (the Rod), will also state in another representation, that the SDA is
at times termed “Israel” for the simple fact that it is where the 144,000
(Israel), are found. The terms have various, applicable meanings
according to the context. This is the
way it is in the Bible also, for the word “ In any instance one may have to study to find
whether Ezekiel 9 has two applications: one first to the church SDA,
which sets the 144,000 apart for their holy service, and another that comes
later to separate the wicked and the righteous in the other denominations
often termed the “world” or Babylon.
Two groups emerge: the 144,000 and the “great multitude” of Rev. 7,
and join into one kingdom of righteous souls fulfilling Ezk. 37:15
-28 – the first separation being as a type to the other. It is also interesting to note that in ancient times
God dealt with the northern tribes first, and such was to be a warning to
ancient I hope this helps.
If not, ask again. Walt Ron responds to Walt: Walt, I will agree
with you on one thing: “NO TYPE, NO
TRUTH.” Everything I am going to say
to you is based on TYPE and the truth of Scripture and Ellen White. Houteff’s interpretation countermands Ellen
White’s type as you will soon see in short-shrift (quick work). Certainly,
according to Ellen White, A.D. 70 was a fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. She
said that destruction was a PREFIGURE TYPE that would "begin at His
Sanctuary," but also symbolized the destruction of the world after
beginning at His Sanctuary. Houteff did not understand
Ezekiel 5:1-5. The slaughter occurs in the church AFTER a small remnant
escape. The church will continue on after the Sunday Law and no buy and
sell time, and tell its members to keep Sunday sacred, tantamount to taking
the Mark of the Beast. "The
Lord has a controversy with his professed people in these last days. In this
controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite
to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the
Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it
beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large
gatherings in the open air, ministers, will urge upon the people the
necessity of keeping the first day of the week." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 1, p. 405, col. 3. The fallen
Babylonian churches will recognize the following things that will highly
agitate them and Satan their leader: ·
The
SDA church militant will have forsaken the Sabbath, one of it main reasons
for existence. ·
The
SDA church will have joined ·
The
SDA church will take the Mark of Satan’s authority, Sunday sacredness. ·
The
SDA church will thus have forfeited its mission to the world, the three
angel’s messages. ·
The
SDA church has thus accepted Satan as its leader, but it wants to remain a
separate and distinct church. That
will infuriate Satan. Thus, the rest
of fallen The church
forsakes its only doctrines that ONCE gave it reason to exist as a separate
church, but still will not forsake its existence as a separate church after
renouncing all that it has used as reason for a distinct and separate church
in the first place. The church wants to keep going
for its love of mammon, money. This angers Satan and his Houteff was
mistaken in believing that the church militant would be purged and purified
to leave it the church triumphant. That is totally wrong. The
good will leave the bad just like the PREFIGURE of A.D. 70, Chapter 1, The Great
Controversy.
Houteff is applying Joshua 7:13, out of context. Before "For thus
saith the Lord God of Apostate The same author
of Ezekiel 5 and 9, authored Ezekiel 22:17-31, and remember there were no
chapter separations and/or designations in the original manuscripts. Where
were the bad (tares, dross) gathered in the PREFIGURE TYPE of A.D. 70?
In the midst of Ellen White said
that the church and the world are the field. Tares are burned in the
field in both cases. "The
'field,' Christ said, 'is the world.' But we must understand this as
signifying the I have proven
this week that the professing Seventh-day Adventist church is a MEMBER of the French Federation of
Protestant Churches. This Federation
is the National Council of Churches of France. SDA Membership in such strictly forbidden
organizations requires that the church pays large annual dues. In 1988, https://members.tripod.com/omega77/sdaecumenical2.htm This Federation
is listed in my Directory of Christian Councils, published by the World Council
of Churches, as a MEMBER of the World Council of Churches, a Satanic,
terrorists supporting organization. https://omega77.tripod.com/WCCRDigArt.htm Every member of the
professing Seventh-day Adventist church militant is corporately responsible
for this liaison with "Study
the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the
time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls
and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the
people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who
refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is
short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU
be converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be
decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The
churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White
Manuscript Releases Volume One, p. 260. Ezekiel 22 17 And the word of the LORD came unto me,
saying, 18 Son of man, the house of Israel is to me become dross:
all they are brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, in the midst of the furnace;
they are even the dross of silver. 19 Therefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather
you into the midst of Walt, it is my
sincere prayer that you and all of your fellow believers in Victor Houteff,
will see his errors and follow the true PREFIGURE TYPE of A.D. 70, the last
fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, which Ellen White says will find another literal
fulfillment beginning “at His Sanctuary,” (5T, 211), and ending with the
destruction of the world. Blessings on
your study of His Word, Ron Other links: http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-D/Davidians-what.pdf http://www.sdadefend.com/WolvesinFleeces/Rods%202.htm |