The following exchange is between James Tierney and a man named Paulo from Brazil. Paulo is a member of my yahoo forum. I have exchanged mail correspondence with Paulo and know his identity for sure. He uses the user name ENGPADO and his real name is Paulo. I know his surname as well for as stated, he has corresponded to me by mail. James Tierney ends the dialog with PAULO by saying: “But He [GOD] also tells me that you are not who you say you are and that you only want to fight so I will not get into it with you unless you repent."

engpado@yahoo.com.br [AdventistHotIssues]

I have 60 witnesses that Paulo is who he says he is, plus some stamped envelopes sent through the government mail of Brazil to me, Ron Beaulieu. James Tierney exposes himself as a false prophet by his statement to Paulo that God tells him that Paulo is not who he says he is, and then he judges Paulo, saying he only wants to fight. Paulo is a very intelligent person. He is an engineer, and he does not want to fight. I have known him for at least a decade and have never known him to be a fighter, but rather he is a sincere searches for the pure truth.

SIGNED: Ronald William Beaulieu

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From: engpado@yahoo.com.br [AdventistHotIssues]

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 1:23 PM

Subject: [AdventistHotIssues] My debate with James Tierney. [1 Attachment]

Brothers and Sisters,

I'd like to share with you a discussion that I have had with James Tierney about the calling out of SDA church and his assertion about prophecying from a spirit that he claims to be of God. I appreciate your comments.

Blessings,

The document below is a forum exchange between a man from Brazil by the name of Paulo, whose email address is

Paulo,

James also refers to you by your first name PAULO! Then he says He (God) tells him that you are not who you say you are!

Ron

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To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:13 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] My debate with James Tierney. [1 Attachment]

James makes a huge blunder below. He says that He (God) also tells him that YOU ARE NOT WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE. In other words, he is saying you are not the person you are calling yourself--ENGPADO. He is saying you are faking your identity and implying that you are someone other than you! He is saying that HE (GOD) TELLS HIM THAT! You have him there! It is not God who is telling him that you are someone other than YOU! It is Satan. Tell him you have any number of witnesses that you are indeed ENGPADO, and that you are in no way falsifying your identity! James totally exposes himself as a false prophet by saying this!

+"engpado I have been put in that position before and God always tells me to tell them "A wicked

and adulterous generation looks for a sign but no sign will be given but the sign of Jonah." And then

He tells me to share the meaning of the sign of Jonah which God has given me a vision about. It

was fulfilled in Gethsemane on Thursday evening and this completes the three days and three

nights. Here is the complete vision. But He also tells me that you are not who you say you are and

that you only want to fight so I will not get into it with you unless you repent."

All blessings,

Ron

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James,

If the the history repeats itself, what do you think thal will be done in order to purify the church from

these abominations with which God can't blessed His people with the His Holy Spirit as Ellen White

presented?

"God's displeasure is upon His people, and He will not manifest His power in the midst of them

while sins exist among them and are fostered by those in responsible positions."3T 270.2.

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+engpado When I pray on this subject the answer is always the same. We must remain on the

path trod by the pioneers of our faith.

Everything contrary to the three angels message, the unadulterated end time message in the Spirit

of Christ, is what Mrs White said is an impediment to the Latter rain. We must be of one accord in

truth, then the number will be complete and the latter rain will fall.

Mrs White was shown the Alpha of apostacy and said the Omega of apostasy will be even worse

and our church is up to it's neck in this apostasy.

"Be not deceived; many will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of

devils. We have now before us the alpha of this danger. The omega will be of a most startling

nature. We need to study the words that Christ uttered in the prayer that He offered just before His

trial and crucifixion". {1SM 197}

(To me this is amazing because God gave me a vision of Jesus in Gethsemane when He prayed

this prayer and the Holy Spirit told me that this is the sign of Jonah and is essential to the end time

James Tierney Feb 19, 2015

Seventh Day Adventist Church now Wors…

people of God...

http://redheifersbloodysweat.blogspot.com/2011/12/redheifer.

html..)

Here is what God told Mrs White about the apostacy that would arise in our church...

"When I first left the State of Maine, it was to go through Vermont and Massachusetts, to bear a

testimony against these sentiments. Living Temple contains the alpha of these theories..."

(that book 'the Living Temple' advocates Pantheism. Other messages she directly addressed in

those days as seen later in this quote were false teachings such as the 'everyone will be saved' and

'sacred name' type legalism doctrines which are strong movements inside the SDA church these

days, and she also addressed Drums and loud music in the sanctuary etc. Continuing...)

"I knew that the omega would follow in a little while; and I trembled for our people. I knew that I

must warn our brethren and sisters not to enter into controversy over the presence and personality

of God. The statements made in Living Temple in regard to this point are incorrect. The scripture

used to substantiate the doctrine there set forth, is SCRIPTURE MISAPPLIED.{1SM 203.2}

I am compelled to speak in denial of the claim that the teachings of Living Temple CAN BE

SUSTAINED BY STATEMENTS FROM MY WRITINGS. There may be in this book expressions

and sentiments that are in harmony with my writings. And there may be in my writings many

statements which, taken from their connection, and interpreted according to the mind of the writer of

Living Temple, would seem to be in harmony with the teachings of this book. This may give

apparent support to the assertion that the sentiments in Living Temple are in harmony with my

writings. But God forbid that this sentiment should prevail.{1SM 203.3}

Few can discern the result of entertaining the sophistries advocated by some at this time. But the

Lord has lifted the curtain, and has shown me the result that would follow. The SPIRITUAL

THEORIES REGARDING THE PERSONALITY OF GOD, followed to their logical conclusion,

sweep away the whole Christian economy. THEY ESTIMATE AS NOTHING THE LIGHT THAT

CHRIST CAME FROM HEAVEN TO GIVE JOHN AND HIS PEOPLE (disregarding the Spirit of

Prophecy in Revelation). They teach that the scenes just before us are not of sufficient importance

to be given special attention. They make of no effect the truth of heavenly origin, and ROB THE

PEOPLE OF THEIR PAST EXPERIENCE, (Doing away with the firm foundation established by the

Pioneers of our faith) giving them instead a false science. {1SM 203.4}

In a vision of the night I was shown distinctly that these sentiments have been looked upon by

some as the grand truths that are to be brought in and made prominent at the present time. I was

shown a platform, braced by solid timbers—the truths of the Word of God. Someone high in

responsibility in the medical work was directing this man and that man to loosen the timbers

supporting this platform. Then I heard a voice saying, “Where are the watchmen that ought to be

standing on the walls of Zion? Are they asleep? This foundation was built by the Master Worker,

and will stand storm and tempest. Will they permit this man to present doctrines that deny the past

experience of the people of God? The time has come to take decided action.”{1SM 204.1}

The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take

place among Seventhday Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the

doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were

this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has

given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental

principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new

organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual

philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a

wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it.

Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that

virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human

power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and

tempest would sweep away the structure. {1SM 204.2}

Note by Ron: James Tierney proposes that he is appointed to STAND IN THE WAY OF THE NEW MOVEMENT LEADERS. Ellen White said NOTHING--NOT EVEN JAMES TIERNEY, would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. She also prophesied that the New movement would:

Remove God
Place their dependence on human power.
Build their foundation on sand.
Storm and tempest would SWEEP AWAY THE STRUCTURE--THE ORGANIZATION--the storm and tempest of Ezekiel 9, Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211. End note

Who has authority to begin such a movement? We have our Bibles. We have our experience,

attested to by the miraculous working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no

compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth?{1SM 205.1}

I hesitated and delayed about the sending out of that which the Spirit of the Lord impelled me to

write. I did not want to be compelled to present the misleading influence of these sophistries. But in

the providence of God, the errors that have been coming in must be met.{1SM 205.2}

EVERYTHING in this quote is what is happening in the Seventh Day Adventist Church RIGHT

NOW!!!!! This why I am instructed to MEET these sophostries head on. God is very adamant that

those who support the errors of these last days within His remnant church are NOT going to be

prepared to stand in these last days.

This is why God has so vehemently insisted that what we bring to others is in harmony with the

path that pioneers tread before us!!!!

(http://eighthking.blogspot.com/2011/12/whosisantichristeighthkingofrev.

html)

EVERYTHING that God has shown me IS in harmony with their message including the perfect

conclusion to prophecies that are drirectly contradicted by the leaders of our denomination. I would

be ashmaed to present ANYTHING to the public that contradicted the established message of the

pioneers.

Of course there were prophecies that not all of the light had been presented in defined glory, but

even then enough clues were laid to make sure the final conclusion could not be denied or

controverted, but NOTHING that God would tell us today would contradict ANYTHING that was

established doctrine in their time.

I hope this helps.

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James,

When you say to remain on the path trod by the pioneers, then like them do we need to depart from

apostasy and be separate? If the history repeats itself we need to follow the example of them, the

apostles, the reformers and of our Master Jesus attending the counsel of the Word an the Spirit of

Prophecy:

"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ’s message and was bent upon His death; therefore Jesus

departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had

been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out

those who should carry the gospel to all nations. – {DA 232.1}

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it

has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ’s

withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had

no thought of separating themselves from the established church; but the religious leaders would

not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for

the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few

are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented.

Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches

they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are

seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may

render obedience." – {DA 232.2}

NOTE BY RON BEAULIEU: Notice that the Reformers were forced to seed another class for ONE REASON: “the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for

the truth.” End note.

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Even though you may not feel able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles,

leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate

with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with

them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard. He lived and worked as in view of the unseen

world. And David said, “I have set the Lord always before me.” – {3BC 1155.4}

Dare to be a Daniel. Dare to stand alone. Thus, as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him

who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their

devices, makes you one with them. [2 Corinthians 6:17, 18 quoted.] – {3BC 1155.5}

Blessings,

Paulo.

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+engpado Brother Paulo, while there will never be another calling out of the Church, and we are

never to call the SDA church part of Babylon, I also believe John 16:2 is very applicable here...

"They shall put you out of the synagogues"

This is in harmony with your first quote...

"Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are FORCED to turn away from the churches

they love"

This does not mean we are to leave the SDA faith... EVER. But we will be put out of the churches

we love by those who have the power within those organizations.

There has been a concerted effort to change the church into the likeness of those who want

change. We are to stand for what is right until they put us out.

I find this quote comforting when I get assaulted for preaching the truth as God has shown me in

the name of the Lord.

"PREACHING CONTRARY TO ESTABLISHED DOCTRINES

The angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, Go, stand

and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.” We see here that the men in

authority are not always to be obeyed, even though they may profess to be teachers of Bible

doctrine. There are many today who feel indignant and aggrieved that any voice should be raised

presenting ideas that differ from their own in regard to points of religious belief. Have they not long

advocated their ideas as truth? So the priests and rabbis reasoned in apostolic days: What mean

these men who are unlearned, some of them mere fishermen, who are presenting ideas contrary to

the doctrines which the learned priests and rulers are teaching the people? They have no right to

meddle with the fundamental principles of our faith.{TM 69.1}

But we see that the God of heaven sometimes commissions men to teach that which is regarded

as contrary to the established doctrines. Because those who were once the depositaries of truth

became unfaithful to their sacred trust, the Lord chose others who would receive the bright beams

of the Sun of Righteousness, and would advocate truths that were not in accordance with the ideas

of the religious leaders. And then these leaders, in the blindness of their minds, give full sway to

what is supposed to be righteous indignation against the ones who have set aside cherished fables.

They act like men who have lost their reason. They do not consider the possibility that they

themselves have not rightly understood the word. They will not open their eyes to discern the fact

that they have misinterpreted and misapplied the Scriptures, and have built up false theories, calling

them fundamental doctrines of the faith. {TM 69.2}

But the Holy Spirit will, from time to time, reveal the truth through its own chosen agencies; and no

James Tierney Feb 21, 2015

man, not even a priest or ruler, has a right to say, You shall not give publicity to your opinions,

because I do not believe them. That wonderful “I” may attempt to put down the Holy Spirit’s

teaching. Men may for a time attempt to smother it and kill it; but that will not make error truth, or

truth error. The inventive minds of men have advanced speculative opinions in various lines, and

when the Holy Spirit lets light shine into human minds, it does not respect every point of man’s

application of the word. God impressed His servants to speak the truth irrespective of what men

had taken for granted as truth.{TM 70.1}

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+engpado This is happening right now

"The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God

(Spirit of Prophecy within the SDA Church). “Where there is no vision, the people perish”

(Proverbs 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to

unsettle the confidence of God’s remnant people in the true testimony.—Selected

Messages 1:48 (1890). {LDE 177.5}

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Divisions will come in the church. Two parties will be developed. The wheat and tares grow up

together for the harvest.—Selected Messages2:114 (1896).{LDE 172.3}

But very soon those unconverted men will be purged from our church...

"In the absence of the persecution there have drifted into our ranks men who appear sound and their

Christianity unquestionable, but who, if persecution should arise, would go out from us".—

Evangelism, 360 (1890).{LDE 174.1}

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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015

That sounds nonScriptural

to me, and in fact worldly. I would just stick to Scripture if I were you.

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THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED Feb 21, 2015

But have you not read;

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a

sword." Matthew 10:34

God inspires me for one purpose more than others these days, to inspire men to challenge their

faith. Always remember; the AntiChrist

comes as an angel of light. And the majority in the Christian

world give their power to him and come under his control, as a democracy.

These words will judge you so be careful. Will you receive the mark of the beast?

Our response to these deep things, which should be meat to the ones who will be ready for the end

tomorrow, show us where we are in His eyes.

Most of us think we know all we will ever know about Christ but do not stop to think about all the

different dimensions to the word of God and judge others like you did to me just now.

I came quoting scripture and you came with your own words. You MUST bring two or more

witnesses from the word to defend the word.

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We have two threads going in the same conversation it seems.

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James, I am not that one "THE FAITH ONE DELIVERED" that did the last post. My name is Paulo.

I read all your blogs posted and I have been blessed when I read about the Red Heifer's Bloody

Sweat. I'd like to study more with you about this question of calling out of the Church based only in

the Word and SOP if you want so.

Paulo.

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+James Tierney Well, James, I have one question. Have you been baptized into Jesus Christ?

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The history repeats itself. Like it happened in the destruction of Jerusalem, it will happen again in

spiritual Jerusalem the good leave the bad. And the bad are bound together for destruction:

Isa 8:9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of

far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be

broken in pieces.

Isa 8:10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand:

for God is with us.

Isa 8:11 For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not

walk in the way of this people, saying,

Isa 8:12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy;

neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

Study Ezekiel 9 "Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time

is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a

great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths

revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is

short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before

it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5,

7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript

Releases Volume One, p. 260.

"Here we see that the church the Lord's sanctuary was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of

God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of

the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we

need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times

have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good,

neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and safety" is

the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their

transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the

ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish

together." E.G. White, Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 211.

James, you know the New Movement of the Seventh Adventist Church is binding herself with the

enemies of God through Ecumenism and this is treason against Him. And like in Ancient

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Jerusalem, the church ( His sanctuary) will be the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God.

Paulo.

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+engpado Yes, thanks for clarifying Paulo. I had to remove Faith once delivered from my circles

because they were attacking the Lord's servant Mrs white. I am blessed speaking with you too.

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+engpado Brother Paulo, yes history is to repeat itself, so on the day of Pentecost were the

disciples told to leave Jerusalem before the promise came? How long were they told to speak to

Israel first? Our message is for Seventh Day Adventists to prepare them to receive the latter rain,

to get them to meet with us in the upper room for the promise.

Then when the Spirit empowers the message those who were on the fence will either submit to God

or leave the church. This is historically what happened to the Jews. They were given until the

Stoning of Stephen to repent. But then they went too far and were cut off, just like those who refuse

the present truth in these days will go too far and persecute us. They will raise hands against us

and be cut off from God.

We are not to leave the church, they will put us out and reject the latter rain, and we will shine with

the knowledge of the glory of the Lord and proclaim the Loud Cry. DO NOT LEAVE PLEASE.

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+engpado Mrs White said we are on board a ship, and we are not to get off until God takes us to

the safe harbor. When error comes into the church we are to "Meet it" head on and this is our duty

as His people. Moses didn't abandon his people because of their trying to kill him did he?

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Brother James, the upper room was not in the temple. Jerusalem is the symbol of the world in

context. Did you receive from the Lord any message to stay in the Church?

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+engpado "Did you receive from the Lord any message to stay in the Church?"

Most definitely; even though many people have done all they could to put me out for the testimony

God has given me to share. I still pay tithe and offering to the conference and support ministries

around the world even though most of those ministries have rejected me as a brother, God says to

continue because they are His representatives until He says they are not.

The apostles continued to go to the temple every Sabbath and paid tithe and temple tax even after

the Jewish leaders had crucified the Lord, and even though their lives were in danger for beatings

and scourging, it wasn't until the Jewish leaders crossed the line of taking Stephens life that they

were to leave.

The Christian church was started on the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit empowered the

message, just like the Latter rain will be the moment when the Remnant are revealed to the world

and those who are not sanctified will be revealed. But you will not receive the blessing unless you

are standing on Mt Zion like on Pentecost and in one accord. The unconverted Jews were shaken

out of the true church just like all these Jesuit inspired haters who have taken over our church will

be.

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+engpado Yes you are correct in respect. John saw the condition of the church but he still spoke

TO the church. He still returned tithe to God THROUGH the church. He did not say for them to rise

up against the church. There should be no reason for the world to see us as divided from the

church. Look what they did to Ellen White. They shunned her and sent her to Australia. Was this

from God? NO WAY, they were speaking on their own, but anyone who spoke against the church

was rebuked by her also.

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+engpado "But how often do professed Christians, by their lack of selfcontrol,

open the door to the

adversary of souls! Divisions, and even bitter dissensions which would disgrace any worldly

community, are common in the churches, because there is so little effort to control wrong feelings,

and to repress every word that Satan can take advantage of. As soon as an alienation of feeling

arises, the matter is spread before Satan for his inspection, and the opportunity given for him to use

his serpentlike wisdom and skill in dividing and destroying the church. There is great loss in every

dissension. Personal friends of both parties take sides with their respective favorites, and thus the

breach is widened. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Criminations and recriminations are

engendered and multiplied. Satan and his angels are actively at work to secure a harvest from seed

thus sown.{1SM 123.1}

Worldlings look on, and jeeringly exclaim, “Behold how these Christians hate one another! If this is

religion, we do not want it.” And they look upon themselves and their irreligious characters with

great satisfaction. Thus they are confirmed in their impenitence, and Satan exults at his success.

{1SM 123.2}

The great deceiver has prepared his wiles for every soul that is not braced for trial and guarded by

constant prayer and living faith. As ministers, as Christians, we must work to take the stumbling

blocks out of the way. We must remove every obstacle. Let us confess and forsake every sin, that

the way of the Lord may be prepared, that He may come into our assemblies and impart His rich

grace. The world, the flesh, and the devil must be overcome.{1SM 123.3}

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I asked my exclusion from the Church seven years ago. Do you think that I am lost for don't paying

tithes to apostate pastors? Let me show you some texts from the Spirit of Prophecy about this:

"The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still

polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the

presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they

thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from

Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer

their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction

in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times,

vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

"'They that forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting with the

world, yet claiming great purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the

cause of truth, we should fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is

prompted by the enemy of all good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as

resolutely today as then. Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God' people in His

guiding power, should be steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 660.

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Ecumenical liaison with the fallen churches is like uniting with the world, for in Early Writings, 273,

Ellen White says that the fallen churches cannot be distinguished from the world. That is why

Adventists left those churches in the first place!

It is impossible to unite with the impure and remain/become pure:

"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II

Corinthians 6:1415

quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he

unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.

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Are YOU Brother James EXEMPT? Can YOU unite with the corrupt apostates and still

become/remain pure? God says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature amongst THORNS,

and THORNS are open, apostate sinners. Tares are insincere believers whose motives we would

have to JUDGE in order to uproot them, but we can SEE the apostasy of the THORNS.

"Thorns sprung up.The

thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke8:14). In the

same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity.

Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of

cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thornyground

hearers lack is a moral

transformation. To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize

that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctificationthe

process by

which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect lifepattern

of Jesus Christ." Seventhday

Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.

The wheat can mature amongst tares [insincere believers whose motives we would have to judge in

order to remove them], but the wheat cannot mature amongst thorns, open, apostate sinners,

because they choke out and kill the wheat. This is why true reformers have separated from open sin

apostate churches in every succeeding generation, Desire of Ages, 232. On that page, note that the

only reason for separation of the true reformers given is that the ecclesiastical leaders would not

tolerate lighttruth.

If wheat and thorns could dwell together until the harvest at the end of the world, then there should

never have been a separation from any apostate body including the apostate Jewish church from

A.D. 34, from Roman Catholicism in the Reformation, and from apostate Protestantism in 1844.

In the Old Testament, apostasy was dealt with by killing all t

he apostates who would not repent,

and/or leaving them to sacrifice on one's own at home.

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"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and

separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not

invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G.

White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.

Paul left

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue,

and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the

kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way

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before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the

school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these

opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body."

E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

Leave them "If God has any new light to communicate, He will let His chosen and beloved

understand it, without their going to have their minds enlightened by hearing those who are in

darkness and error. {EW 124.2}

“I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy,

being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should

attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly

poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such

gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast

in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when

we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where

error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease

their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and

weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated

with the darkness. {EW 124.3}

“I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus

diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth,...” EW p. 125.

"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles,

leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate

with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with

them. The love and fear of God were his safeguardDare

to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus

as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve

before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them Come out from

among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive

you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord

Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.

Scripture on Home Churches

Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced,

believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had

seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one]

that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who

is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of

Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of

Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with

the church that is in their house.

Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:

When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what

did they do and where did they meet for worship?

"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they

will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is

current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White,

Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.

"God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is it the national

establishment, neither is it the various denominations; it is the people who love God and keep His

commandments. 'Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of

them.' Where Christ is even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence

of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p.

315.

This statement is also foolish, superfluous and redundant, if we cannot judge what Ellen White

brands as corrupt. If judging corruptness is only idle and illconceived

criticism, based on focusing on mere flaws, defects and weaknesses, then we should have remained with Rome!

"Any connection with infidels and UNBELIEVERS which would identify us with them is

FORBIDDEN by the word. We are to come out from them and be separate. in no case are we to link

ourselves with them in their plans or work." E. G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, 482.

"I saw that since the second angel proclaimed the fall of the churches, they have been growing

more and more corrupt. They bear the name of being Christ's followers yet it is IMPOSSIBLE to

distinguish them from THE WORLD. . . . Satan has taken FULL POSSESSION of the churches as

a body." E.G. White, Early Writings, 273.

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+engpado Christ was a protestant? Where in the world do you come up with that? Jesus didn't

separate from His people until Stephen was stoned. How many times should I forgive my brother?

and Jesus said 7 times 70 which referred to the 490 years prophecy of Daniel which pointed to the

end of the Jewish dispensation when Stephen was stoned.

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Didn't you see that was Ellen White that wrote that "Christ was a protestant"?

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Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected

the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the

commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they

were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ

and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and

ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it

as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the

pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their

pretensions and rebukes their idolatry. – {RH June 1, 1886 Par. 14}

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We must be separate like Jesus did.

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James,

It's obviou that we must walk in the same way as the pioners did, but you are missing a very

important thing. If we can't exclude the sinners in Zion who are in positions of responsability, the

only way to keep ourselves free of charge of these abominations is set us apart from the apostate

new movement Seventh Adventist Church. Jesus went from the temple, from Jerusalem, from the

apostates religious leaders to gather His church outside of the apostasy. The apostles and

reformers did the same. The Adventist pioners get out the apostates protestants to preach the

Midnight Cry. If we want to be imbued by the same Spirit, we need follow their steps.

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+engpado Have you been put out of a church yet? I have. For standing against Women elders and

ordination, and the baptism of Homosexuals, and the deaconization of female children and rock and

roll in the sanctuary and many more. All of these practices are directly against the command of God

in the new testament yet they justify it by making it sound as if God would be a bigot if we listened

to scripture as it is written... and off they go.

But I can stand in His shadow and know I did what He wanted me to do, and wait for His promise to

restore the church to His glory. If your not there you will NOT receive the promise...Do you get it?

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If the history always taught that the good leave the bad why do you think that the apostate

organization will be purified? The remnant, will be purified not inside, but outside of the New

Organization:

And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and

bear fruit upward. For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount

Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this. ( 2 Kings 19 : 3031

KJV)

And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear

fruit upward: For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion:

the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this. ( Isaiah 37 : 3132

KJV)

The New Organization will be destroyed, broken in peaces by the slaughter weapon of Ezekiel

chapter 9:

He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to

draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. And, behold, six men came

from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in

his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and

they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from

the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with

linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst

of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh

and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in

mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye

pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any

man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men

which were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the

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slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. And it came to pass, while they were

slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou

destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem? Then said he unto

me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood,

and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth

not. And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense

their way upon their head. And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his

side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me. ( Ezekiel 9 : 111

KJV)

Ellen White wrote that this chapter will be fulfilled literally in the future and the New Movement

Seventh Adventist Church with their errant leaders and members will be the FIRST to feel the

stroke of the wrath of God:

"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is passing, and

the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while

longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them,

but who refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling

will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon,

very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The

churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases

Volume One, p. 260.