The following exchange is
between James Tierney and a man named Paulo from Brazil. Paulo is a member of
my yahoo forum. I have exchanged mail correspondence with Paulo and know his
identity for sure. He uses the user name ENGPADO and his real name is Paulo. I
know his surname as well for as stated, he has corresponded to me by mail.
James Tierney ends the dialog with PAULO by saying: “But He [GOD] also tells me that you are not who you say you are and that you only want to fight so I will not
get into it with you unless you repent."
engpado@yahoo.com.br [AdventistHotIssues]
I have 60 witnesses that Paulo is who he
says he is, plus some stamped envelopes sent through the government mail of
Brazil to me, Ron Beaulieu. James Tierney exposes himself as a false prophet by
his statement to Paulo that God tells him that Paulo is not who he says he is,
and then he judges Paulo, saying he only wants to fight. Paulo is a very
intelligent person. He is an engineer, and he does not want to fight. I have
known him for at least a decade and have never known him to be a fighter, but
rather he is a sincere searches for the pure truth.
SIGNED: Ronald William Beaulieu
----- Original Message -----
From: engpado@yahoo.com.br [AdventistHotIssues]
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Friday, February 27, 2015 1:23 PM
Subject:
[AdventistHotIssues] My debate with James Tierney. [1
Attachment]
Brothers and Sisters,
I'd like to share with you a discussion that I have had with
James Tierney about the calling out of SDA church and his assertion about prophecying from a spirit that he claims to be of God. I
appreciate your comments.
Blessings,
The document below is a forum exchange between a man from Brazil by the name of Paulo, whose email address is
Paulo,
James also refers
to you by your first name PAULO! Then he says He (God) tells him that you are
not who you say you are!
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Friday, February 27, 2015 7:13 PM
Subject:
Re: [AdventistHotIssues] My debate with James
Tierney. [1 Attachment]
James makes a huge blunder below. He says that He (God) also tells
him that YOU ARE NOT WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE. In other words, he is saying you are
not the person you are calling yourself--ENGPADO. He is saying you are faking
your identity and implying that you are someone other than you! He is saying
that HE (GOD) TELLS HIM THAT! You have him there! It is not God who is telling
him that you are someone other than YOU! It is Satan. Tell him you have any
number of witnesses that you are indeed ENGPADO, and that you are in no way
falsifying your identity! James totally exposes himself as a false prophet by
saying this!
+"engpado I have been put in that position before and God always tells me
to tell them "A wicked
and adulterous generation looks for a sign but no
sign will be given but the sign of Jonah." And then
He tells me to share
the meaning of the sign of Jonah which God has given me a vision about. It
was fulfilled in Gethsemane on Thursday evening
and this completes the three days and three
nights. Here is the complete vision. But He also tells me that you are not who you say
you are and
that you only want to fight so I will not get into
it with you unless you repent."
All blessings,
Ron
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he Sabbath Blessing cannot be gained on Sunday, but
feeding those hungry for the word can be. The influence
of ignorant people can do a lot of damage. Do not
continue to contribute to others ignorance. Peace in the name of
Jesus. Amen.
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James,
If the the history repeats itself, what do you think thal will be done in order to purify the church from
these abominations with
which God can't blessed His people with the His Holy Spirit as Ellen White
presented?
"God's
displeasure is upon His people, and He will not manifest His power in the midst
of them
while sins exist among
them and are fostered by those in responsible positions."3T 270.2.
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+engpado When I pray on this
subject the answer is always the same. We must remain on the
path trod by the pioneers
of our faith.
Everything contrary
to the three angels message, the unadulterated end
time message in the Spirit
of Christ, is what Mrs White said is an impediment to the Latter rain. We must
be of one accord in
truth, then the number
will be complete and the latter rain will fall.
Mrs White was shown the
Alpha of apostacy and said the Omega of apostasy will
be even worse
and our church is up to it's neck in this apostasy.
"Be not deceived;
many will depart from the faith, giving heed to
seducing spirits and doctrines of
devils. We have now before
us the alpha of this danger. The omega will be of a most startling
nature. We need to study
the words that Christ uttered in the prayer that He offered just before His
trial and
crucifixion". {1SM 197}
(To me this is
amazing because God gave me a vision of Jesus in Gethsemane when He prayed
this prayer and the Holy
Spirit told me that this is the sign of Jonah and is essential to the end time
James Tierney Feb 19, 2015
Seventh Day Adventist
Church now Wors…
people of God...
http://redheifersbloodysweat.blogspot.com/2011/12/redheifer.
html..)
Here is what God told
Mrs White about the apostacy
that would arise in our church...
"When I first
left the State of Maine, it was to go through Vermont and Massachusetts, to
bear a
testimony against these
sentiments. Living Temple contains the alpha of these theories..."
(that
book 'the Living Temple' advocates Pantheism. Other messages she directly
addressed in
those days as seen later
in this quote were false teachings such as the 'everyone will be saved' and
'sacred
name' type legalism doctrines which are strong movements inside the SDA church
these
days, and she also
addressed Drums and loud music in the sanctuary etc. Continuing...)
"I knew that the
omega would follow in a little while; and I
trembled for our people. I knew that I
must warn our brethren
and sisters not to enter into controversy over the presence and personality
of God. The statements
made in Living Temple in regard to this point are incorrect. The scripture
used to substantiate the
doctrine there set forth, is SCRIPTURE MISAPPLIED.{1SM 203.2}
I am compelled to
speak in denial of the claim that the teachings of Living Temple CAN BE
SUSTAINED
BY STATEMENTS FROM MY WRITINGS. There may be in this book expressions
and sentiments that are
in harmony with my writings. And there may be in my writings many
statements which, taken from
their connection, and interpreted according to the mind of the writer of
Living Temple, would seem to be in harmony with the teachings of
this book. This may give
apparent support to the
assertion that the sentiments in Living Temple are in harmony with my
writings. But God forbid that
this sentiment should prevail.{1SM 203.3}
Few can discern the
result of entertaining the sophistries advocated by some at this time. But the
Lord has lifted the
curtain, and has shown me the result that would follow. The SPIRITUAL
THEORIES REGARDING
THE PERSONALITY OF GOD, followed to their logical conclusion,
sweep away the whole
Christian economy. THEY ESTIMATE AS NOTHING THE LIGHT THAT
CHRIST CAME FROM
HEAVEN TO GIVE JOHN AND HIS PEOPLE (disregarding the Spirit of
Prophecy
in Revelation).
They teach that the scenes just before us are not of sufficient importance
to be given special
attention. They make of no effect the truth of heavenly origin, and ROB THE
PEOPLE OF THEIR PAST
EXPERIENCE, (Doing away with the firm foundation established by the
Pioneers of our
faith) giving them instead a false science. {1SM 203.4}
In a vision of the
night I was shown distinctly that these sentiments have been looked upon by
some as the grand truths
that are to be brought in and made prominent at the present time. I was
shown a platform, braced
by solid timbers—the truths of the Word of God. Someone high in
responsibility in the medical work
was directing this man and that man to loosen the timbers
supporting this platform. Then
I heard a voice saying, “Where are the watchmen that ought to be
standing on the walls of
Zion? Are they asleep? This foundation was built by the Master Worker,
and will stand storm and
tempest. Will they permit this man to present doctrines that deny the past
experience of the people of
God? The time has come to take decided action.”{1SM 204.1}
The enemy of souls
has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take
place among Seventhday Adventists, and that this reformation would
consist in giving up the
doctrines which stand as the
pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were
this reformation to take
place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has
given to the remnant
church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental
principles that have sustained
the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new
organization would be
established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual
philosophy would be introduced.
The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a
wonderful work. The Sabbath of
course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it.
Nothing would be allowed
to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that
virtue is better than vice, but
God being removed, they would place their dependence on human
power, which, without God, is
worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and
tempest would sweep away the
structure.
{1SM 204.2}
Note by Ron: James
Tierney proposes that he is appointed to STAND IN THE WAY OF THE NEW MOVEMENT
LEADERS. Ellen White said NOTHING--NOT EVEN JAMES TIERNEY, would be allowed to
stand in the way of the new movement. She also prophesied that the New movement would:
Who has authority to begin
such a movement? We have our Bibles. We have our experience,
attested to by the miraculous
working of the Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no
compromise. Shall we not
repudiate everything that is not in harmony with this truth?{1SM
205.1}
I hesitated and
delayed about the sending out of that which the Spirit of the Lord impelled me
to
write. I did not want to
be compelled to present the misleading influence of these sophistries. But in
the providence of God,
the errors that have been coming in must be met.{1SM 205.2}
EVERYTHING in this
quote is what is happening in the Seventh Day Adventist Church RIGHT
NOW!!!!! This why I am instructed to MEET these sophostries
head on. God is very adamant that
those who support the
errors of these last days within His remnant church are NOT going to be
prepared to stand in these
last days.
This is why God has
so vehemently insisted that what we bring to others is in harmony with the
path that pioneers tread
before us!!!!
(http://eighthking.blogspot.com/2011/12/whosisantichristeighthkingofrev.
html)
EVERYTHING that God
has shown me IS in harmony with their message including the perfect
conclusion to prophecies that
are drirectly contradicted by the leaders of our
denomination. I would
be ashmaed
to present ANYTHING to the public that contradicted the established message of
the
pioneers.
Of course there were
prophecies that not all of the light had been presented in defined glory, but
even then enough clues
were laid to make sure the final conclusion could not be denied or
controverted, but NOTHING that
God would tell us today would contradict ANYTHING that was
established doctrine in their
time.
I hope this helps.
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James,
When you say to remain
on the path trod by the pioneers, then like them do we need to depart from
apostasy and be separate? If
the history repeats itself we need to follow the example of them, the
apostles, the reformers and
of our Master Jesus attending the counsel of the Word an
the Spirit of
Prophecy:
"The Sanhedrin
had rejected Christ’s message and was bent upon His death; therefore Jesus
departed from Jerusalem, from
the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had
been instructed in the
law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out
those who should carry the
gospel to all nations. – {DA 232.1}
As the light and life
of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so
it
has been rejected in every
succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ’s
withdrawal from Judea has been
repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had
no thought of
separating themselves from the established church; but the religious leaders would
not tolerate the light, and
those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for
the truth. In our day few of the
professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few
are listening for the
voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented.
Often those who
follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches
they love, in order to
declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are
seeking for light are by the
same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may
render obedience." –
{DA 232.2}
NOTE BY RON BEAULIEU:
Notice that the Reformers were forced to seed another class for ONE REASON: “the religious leaders
would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek
another class, who were longing for
the truth.” End note.
engpado Feb 20, 2015
Even though you may
not feel able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles,
leave them. Your
withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate
with those who were
untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with
them. The love and fear
of God were his safeguard. He lived and worked as in
view of the unseen
world. And David said, “I
have set the Lord always before me.” – {3BC 1155.4}
Dare to be a Daniel.
Dare to stand alone. Thus, as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him
who is invisible. But a
cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their
devices, makes you one with
them. [2 Corinthians 6:17, 18 quoted.] – {3BC 1155.5}
Blessings,
Paulo.
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+engpado Brother Paulo, while
there will never be another calling out of the Church, and we are
never to call the SDA
church part of Babylon, I also believe John 16:2 is very applicable here...
"They shall put
you out of the synagogues"
This is in harmony
with your first quote...
"Often those who
follow in the steps of the Reformers are FORCED to turn away from the churches
they love"
This does not mean we
are to leave the SDA faith... EVER. But we will be put
out of the churches
we love by those who
have the power within those organizations.
There has been a
concerted effort to change the church into the likeness of those who want
change. We are to stand for
what is right until they put us out.
I find this quote
comforting when I get assaulted for preaching the truth as God has shown me in
the name of the Lord.
"PREACHING
CONTRARY TO ESTABLISHED DOCTRINES
The angel of the Lord
by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, Go, stand
and speak in the temple
to the people all the words of this life.” We see here that the men in
authority are not always to be
obeyed, even though they may profess to be teachers of Bible
doctrine. There are many
today who feel indignant and aggrieved that any voice should be raised
presenting ideas that differ from
their own in regard to points of religious belief. Have they not long
advocated their ideas as
truth? So the priests and rabbis reasoned in apostolic days: What mean
these men who are
unlearned, some of them mere fishermen, who are presenting ideas contrary to
the doctrines which the
learned priests and rulers are teaching the people? They have no right to
meddle with the fundamental
principles of our faith.{TM 69.1}
But we see that the
God of heaven sometimes commissions men to teach that which is regarded
as contrary to the
established doctrines. Because those who were once the depositaries of truth
became unfaithful to their
sacred trust, the Lord chose others who would receive the bright beams
of the Sun of
Righteousness, and would advocate truths that were not in accordance with the
ideas
of the religious
leaders. And then these leaders, in the blindness of their minds, give full
sway to
what is supposed to be
righteous indignation against the ones who have set aside cherished fables.
They act like men who
have lost their reason. They do not consider the possibility that they
themselves have not rightly
understood the word. They will not open their eyes to discern the fact
that they have
misinterpreted and misapplied the Scriptures, and have built up false theories,
calling
them fundamental
doctrines of the faith. {TM 69.2}
But the Holy Spirit
will, from time to time, reveal the truth through its own chosen agencies;
and no
James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
man, not even a priest
or ruler, has a right to say, You shall not give publicity to your opinions,
because I do not believe
them. That wonderful “I” may attempt to put down the Holy Spirit’s
teaching. Men may for a time
attempt to smother it and kill it; but that will
not make error truth, or
truth error. The inventive
minds of men have advanced speculative opinions in various lines, and
when the Holy Spirit lets
light shine into human minds, it does not respect every point of man’s
application of the word. God
impressed His servants to speak the truth irrespective of what men
had taken for granted as
truth.{TM 70.1}
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+engpado This is happening right
now
"The very last
deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit
of God
(Spirit
of Prophecy within the SDA Church). “Where there is no vision, the people perish”
(Proverbs 29:18).
Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies,
to
unsettle the confidence of
God’s remnant people in the true testimony.—Selected
Messages
1:48 (1890).
{LDE 177.5}
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
Divisions will come
in the church. Two parties will be developed. The wheat and tares grow up
together for the
harvest.—Selected Messages2:114 (1896).{LDE 172.3}
But very soon those
unconverted men will be purged from our church...
"In the absence
of the persecution there have drifted into our ranks men who appear sound and
their
Christianity
unquestionable, but who, if persecution should arise, would go out from
us".—
Evangelism, 360
(1890).{LDE 174.1}
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
That sounds nonScriptural
to me, and in fact
worldly. I would just stick to Scripture if I were you.
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THE FAITH ONCE
DELIVERED Feb
21, 2015
But have you not read;
“Do not think that I
have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a
sword." Matthew 10:34
God inspires me for
one purpose more than others these days, to inspire men to challenge their
faith. Always remember;
the AntiChrist
comes as an angel of
light. And the majority in the Christian
world give their power to
him and come under his control, as a democracy.
These words will
judge you so be careful. Will you receive the mark of the beast?
Our response to these
deep things, which should be meat to the ones who will be ready for the end
tomorrow, show us where we
are in His eyes.
Most of us think we
know all we will ever know about Christ but do not stop to think about all the
different dimensions to the
word of God and judge others like you did to me just now.
I came
quoting scripture and you came with your own words. You MUST bring two or more
witnesses from the word to
defend the word.
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We have two threads
going in the same conversation it seems.
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
James, I am not that
one "THE FAITH ONE DELIVERED" that did the last post. My name is
Paulo.
I read all your blogs
posted and I have been blessed when I read about the Red Heifer's Bloody
Sweat. I'd like to
study more with you about this question of calling out of the Church based only
in
the Word and SOP if you
want so.
Paulo.
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+James Tierney Well, James, I have
one question. Have you been baptized into Jesus Christ?
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THE FAITH ONCE
DELIVERED Feb
21, 2015
The history repeats
itself. Like it happened in the destruction of Jerusalem, it will happen again
in
spiritual Jerusalem the good
leave the bad. And the bad are bound together for destruction:
Isa 8:9 Associate
yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of
far countries: gird
yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird
yourselves, and ye shall be
broken in pieces.
Isa 8:10 Take counsel
together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand:
for God is with us.
Isa 8:11 For the LORD
spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not
walk in the way of this
people, saying,
Isa 8:12 Say ye not,
A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy;
neither fear ye their fear,
nor be afraid.
Study Ezekiel 9
"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled
yet the time
is passing, and the
people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a
great while longer will
the Lord bear with the people who have such great and important truths
revealed to them, but who refuse
to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is
short. God is calling will
YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before
it is too late? Soon,
very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3,
5,
7.
(To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White
Manuscript
Releases
Volume One, p. 260.
"Here we see
that the church the Lord's sanctuary was the first to feel the stroke of the
wrath of
God. The ancient men,
those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of
the spiritual interests
of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we
need not look for
miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times
have changed. These words
strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good,
neither will He do evil. He
is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and
safety" is
the cry from men who
will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their
transgressions and the house of
Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the
ones who feel the just
vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish
together." E.G. White,
Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 211.
James, you know the
New Movement of the Seventh Adventist Church is binding herself with the
enemies of God through
Ecumenism and this is treason against Him. And like in Ancient
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Jerusalem, the church
( His sanctuary) will be the first to feel the stroke
of the wrath of God.
Paulo.
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+engpado Yes, thanks for
clarifying Paulo. I had to remove Faith once delivered from my circles
because they were attacking
the Lord's servant Mrs white. I am blessed speaking
with you too.
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
+engpado Brother Paulo, yes
history is to repeat itself, so on the day of Pentecost were the
disciples told to leave
Jerusalem before the promise came? How long were they told to speak to
Israel
first?
Our message is for Seventh Day Adventists to prepare them to receive the latter
rain,
to get them to meet
with us in the upper room for the promise.
Then when the Spirit
empowers the message those who were on the fence will either submit to God
or leave the church.
This is historically what happened to the Jews. They were given until the
Stoning
of Stephen to repent. But then they went too far and were cut off, just
like those who refuse
the present truth in
these days will go too far and persecute us. They will raise hands against us
and be cut off from God.
We are not to leave
the church, they will put us out and reject the latter rain, and we will shine
with
the knowledge of the
glory of the Lord and proclaim the Loud Cry. DO NOT LEAVE PLEASE.
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+engpado Mrs White said we are on
board a ship, and we are not to get off until God takes us to
the safe harbor. When
error comes into the church we are to "Meet it" head on and this is
our duty
as His people. Moses
didn't abandon his people because of their trying to kill him did he?
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
Brother James, the
upper room was not in the temple. Jerusalem is the symbol of the world in
context. Did you receive
from the Lord any message to stay in the Church?
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+engpado "Did you receive
from the Lord any message to stay in the Church?"
Most definitely;
even though many people have done all they could to
put me out for the testimony
God has given me to
share. I still pay tithe and offering to the conference and support ministries
around the world even
though most of those ministries have rejected me as a brother, God says to
continue because they are His
representatives until He says they are not.
The apostles
continued to go to the temple every Sabbath and paid tithe and temple tax even
after
the Jewish leaders had
crucified the Lord, and even though their lives were in danger for beatings
and scourging, it wasn't
until the Jewish leaders crossed the line of taking Stephens life that they
were to leave.
The Christian church
was started on the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit empowered the
message, just like the
Latter rain will be the moment when the Remnant are revealed to the world
and those who are not
sanctified will be revealed. But you will not receive the blessing unless you
are standing on Mt Zion
like on Pentecost and in one accord. The unconverted Jews were shaken
out of the true church
just like all these Jesuit inspired haters who have taken over our church will
be.
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+engpado Yes you are correct
in respect. John saw the condition of the church but he still spoke
TO
the church.
He still returned tithe to God THROUGH the church. He did not say for them to
rise
up against the church.
There should be no reason for the world to see us as divided from the
church. Look what they did
to Ellen White. They shunned her and sent her to Australia. Was this
from God? NO WAY, they
were speaking on their own, but anyone who spoke against the church
was rebuked by her also.
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+engpado "But how often
do professed Christians, by their lack of selfcontrol,
open the door to the
adversary of souls! Divisions, and even bitter dissensions which would disgrace
any worldly
community, are common in the
churches, because there is so little effort to control wrong feelings,
and to repress every
word that Satan can take advantage of. As soon as an alienation of feeling
arises, the matter is
spread before Satan for his inspection, and the opportunity given for him to
use
his serpentlike
wisdom and skill in dividing and destroying the church. There is great loss in every
dissension. Personal friends of
both parties take sides with their respective favorites, and thus the
breach is widened. A house
divided against itself cannot stand. Criminations and
recriminations are
engendered and multiplied.
Satan and his angels are actively at work to secure a harvest from seed
thus sown.{1SM 123.1}
Worldlings look on, and
jeeringly exclaim, “Behold how these Christians hate one another! If this is
religion, we do not want it.”
And they look upon themselves and their irreligious characters with
great satisfaction. Thus
they are confirmed in their impenitence, and Satan exults at his success.
{1SM 123.2}
The great deceiver
has prepared his wiles for every soul that is not braced for trial and guarded
by
constant prayer and living
faith. As ministers, as Christians, we must work to take the stumbling
blocks out of the way. We
must remove every obstacle. Let us confess and forsake every sin, that
the way of the Lord may
be prepared, that He may come into our assemblies and impart His rich
grace. The world, the
flesh, and the devil must be overcome.{1SM 123.3}
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
I asked my exclusion
from the Church seven years ago. Do you think that I am lost for don't paying
tithes to apostate pastors?
Let me show you some texts from the Spirit of Prophecy about this:
"The recreant
priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they
still
polluted by their presence
the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the
presence of a holy God. As
the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they
thought it safer for their
families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from
Shiloh with their
peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to
offer
their sacrifices
themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to
sanction
in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The
Signs of the Times,
vol. 1, p. 264, col.
3, December 1, 1881.
"'They that
forsake the law praise the wicked.' Proverbs 28:4. When those who are uniting
with the
world, yet claiming great
purity, plead for union with those who have ever been the opposers of the
cause of truth, we should
fear and shun them as decidedly as did Nehemiah. Such counsel is
prompted by the enemy of all
good. It is the speech of timeservers, and should be resisted as
resolutely today as then.
Whatever influence would tend to unsettle the faith of God' people in His
guiding power, should be
steadfastly withstood." E.G. White, Prophets and Kings, p. 660.
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Ecumenical liaison
with the fallen churches is like uniting with the world, for in Early Writings,
273,
Ellen White says that
the fallen churches cannot be distinguished from the world. That is why
Adventists left those
churches in the first place!
It is impossible to
unite with the impure and remain/become pure:
"It is IMPOSSIBLE
for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II
Corinthians 6:1415
quoted). God and Christ and
the heavenly host would have men know that if he
unites with the corrupt he
will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
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Are YOU Brother James
EXEMPT? Can YOU unite with the corrupt apostates and still
become/remain pure? God says that
it is IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature amongst THORNS,
and THORNS are open,
apostate sinners. Tares are insincere believers whose motives we would
have to JUDGE in order to
uproot them, but we can SEE the apostasy of the THORNS.
"Thorns sprung up.The
thorns made it impossible
for the wheat to mature (see Luke8:14). In the
same way secular
interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching
maturity.
Religion is relegated
to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of
cultivation it withers and
eventually dies. That which the thornyground
hearers lack is a moral
transformation. To them,
justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize
that the Christian life
consists essentially in the process known as sanctificationthe
process by
which evil traits and
tendencies are replaced by the perfect lifepattern
of Jesus Christ." Seventhday
Adventist
Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.
The wheat can mature
amongst tares [insincere believers whose motives we would have to judge in
order to remove them], but
the wheat cannot mature amongst thorns, open, apostate sinners,
because they choke out and
kill the wheat. This is why true reformers have separated from open sin
apostate churches in every
succeeding generation, Desire of Ages, 232. On that page, note that the
only reason for separation
of the true reformers given is that the ecclesiastical leaders would not
tolerate lighttruth.
If wheat and thorns
could dwell together until the harvest at the end of the world, then there
should
never have been a
separation from any apostate body including the apostate Jewish church from
A.D.
34, from Roman Catholicism in the Reformation, and from apostate Protestantism
in 1844.
In the Old Testament,
apostasy was dealt with by killing all t
he apostates who would
not repent,
and/or leaving them to
sacrifice on one's own at home.
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"Christ was a
protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out
and
separated themselves from a
religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not
invent the reformed
religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G.
White,
Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
Paul left
"And as they
persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the
synagogue,
and spake boldly for the
space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the
kingdom of God. But when
divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way
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before the multitude, he departed
from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the
school of one
Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Fearing that
the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with
these
opposers of the truth, Paul
separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body."
E.G. White, Acts of
the Apostles, p. 286.
Leave them "If
God has any new light to communicate, He will let His chosen and beloved
understand it, without their going
to have their minds enlightened by hearing those who are in
darkness and error. {EW
124.2}
“I was shown the
necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy,
being separate from those
who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should
attend their meetings;
for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they
teach error that is a deadly
poison to the soul and
teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such
gatherings is not good. If God
has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast
in the liberty
wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with
us when
we go to listen to
error, without being obliged to go; for unless He
sends us to those meetings where
error is forced home to
the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease
their watchful care over
us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and
weakened by him and the power
of his evil angels; and the light around us
becomes contaminated
with the darkness. {EW
124.3}
“I saw that we have
no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus
diverted, but should be
occupied with the present truth,...” EW p. 125.
"Even though you
may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles,
leave them. Your
withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate
with those who were
untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with
them. The love and fear
of God were his safeguardDare
to be a Daniel, Dare to
stand alone. Thus
as did Moses, you will
endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve
before evil associates,
while you listen to their devices makes you one with them Come out from
among them and be
separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive
you, and will be a
Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord
Almighty." Review & Herald
Vol. 4, p. 42.
Scripture on Home
Churches
Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all
that were in his house.
Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat
before them, and rejoiced,
believing in God with all his
house.
Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house
of] Lydia: and when they had
seen the brethren, they
comforted them, and departed.
Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's]
house, named Justus, [one]
that worshipped God,
whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
Rom 16:5 Likewise
[greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus,
who
is the firstfruits of
Achaia unto Christ.
1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by
them [which are of the house] of
Chloe, that there are
contentions among you.
1Cr 16:15 I beseech
you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of
Achaia, and [that]
they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)
1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute
you much in the Lord, with
the church that is in
their house.
Ellen White on Home
Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:
When the young men
and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what
did they do and where
did they meet for worship?
"There is a
little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them
where they
will come as little in
contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is
current in this day shall
not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White,
Manuscript Release
#995, p. 5.
"God has a
church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is
it the national
establishment, neither is it the
various denominations; it is the people who love
God and keep His
commandments. 'Where two or three
are gathered together in My name, there am I in the
midst of
them.' Where Christ is even
among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence
of the High and Holy
One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p.
315.
This statement is
also foolish, superfluous and redundant, if we cannot judge what Ellen White
brands as corrupt. If
judging corruptness is only idle and illconceived
criticism, based on focusing
on mere flaws, defects and weaknesses, then we should have remained with Rome!
"Any connection
with infidels and UNBELIEVERS which would identify us with them is
FORBIDDEN
by the word.
We are to come out from them and be separate. in no
case are we to link
ourselves with them in their
plans or work." E. G. White, Fundamentals of Christian Education, 482.
"I saw that
since the second angel proclaimed the fall of the churches, they have been
growing
more and more corrupt.
They bear the name of being Christ's followers yet it is IMPOSSIBLE to
distinguish them from THE WORLD.
. . . Satan has taken FULL POSSESSION of the churches as
a body." E.G. White, Early Writings, 273.
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protestant? Where in the world do you come up with that? Jesus didn't
separate from His people
until Stephen was stoned. How many times should I forgive my brother?
and Jesus said 7 times 70
which referred to the 490 years prophecy of Daniel which pointed to the
end of the Jewish
dispensation when Stephen was stoned.
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James Tierney Feb 21, 2015
Didn't you see that
was Ellen White that wrote that "Christ was a protestant"?
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Christ was a
protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who
rejected
the counsel of God
against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the
commandments of men, and that
they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they
were beautiful without,
but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ
and the apostles. They
came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and
ceremonies. Luther and his
followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it
as presented by Christ
and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the
pope and his workers
remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their
pretensions and rebukes their
idolatry. – {RH June 1, 1886 Par. 14}
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We must be separate
like Jesus did.
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James,
It's obviou that we must walk in the same way as the pioners did, but you are missing a very
important thing. If we can't
exclude the sinners in Zion who are in positions of responsability,
the
only way to keep
ourselves free of charge of these abominations is set us apart from the
apostate
new movement Seventh
Adventist Church. Jesus went from the temple, from Jerusalem, from the
apostates religious leaders to
gather His church outside of the apostasy. The apostles and
reformers did the same. The
Adventist pioners get out the apostates protestants
to preach the
Midnight Cry. If we
want to be imbued by the same Spirit, we need follow their steps.
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+engpado Have you been put out
of a church yet? I have. For standing against Women elders and
ordination, and the baptism of
Homosexuals, and the deaconization of female children
and rock and
roll in the sanctuary and
many more. All of these practices are directly against the command of God
in the new testament
yet they justify it by making it sound as if God would be a bigot if we
listened
to scripture as it is
written... and off they go.
But I can stand in
His shadow and know I did what He wanted me to do, and wait for His promise to
restore the church to His
glory. If your not there you will NOT receive the
promise...Do you get it?
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If the history always
taught that the good leave the bad why do you think that the apostate
organization will be purified?
The remnant, will be purified not inside, but outside of the New
Organization:
And the remnant that
is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and
bear fruit upward. For
out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount
Zion: the zeal of the
Lord of hosts shall do this. ( 2 Kings 19 : 3031
KJV)
And the remnant that
is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear
fruit upward: For out of
Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion:
the zeal of the Lord of
hosts shall do this. ( Isaiah 37 : 3132
KJV)
The New Organization
will be destroyed, broken in peaces by the slaughter
weapon of Ezekiel
chapter 9:
He cried also in mine
ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to
draw near, even every man
with his destroying weapon in his hand. And, behold, six men came
from the way of the
higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in
his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a
writer's inkhorn by his side: and
they went in, and stood
beside the brasen altar. And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from
the cherub, whereupon he
was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with
linen, which had the
writer's inkhorn by his side; And the Lord said unto him, Go through the
midst
of the city, through
the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh
and that cry for all the
abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in
mine hearing, Go ye after
him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye
pity: Slay utterly old
and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any
man upon whom is the
mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began
at the ancient men
which were before the
house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the
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slain: go ye forth. And
they went forth, and slew in the city. And it came to pass, while they were
slaying them, and I was
left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou
destroy all the residue of
Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem? Then said he unto
me, The iniquity of the
house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood,
and the city full of
perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord
seeth
not. And as for me also,
mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense
their way upon their head.
And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his
side, reported the
matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me. (
Ezekiel 9 : 111
KJV)
Ellen White wrote
that this chapter will be fulfilled literally in the future and the New
Movement
Seventh Adventist
Church with their errant leaders and members will be the FIRST to feel the
stroke of the wrath of God:
"Study the 9th
chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the time is
passing, and
the people are asleep.
They refuse to humble their souls and to be converted. Not a great while
longer will the Lord bear
with the people who have such great and important truths revealed to them,
but who refuse to bring
these truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is
calling
will YOU hear? Will YOU
receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it is too late? Soon,
very soon, every case
will be decided for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5,
7. (To "The
churches in Oakland and
Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases
Volume
One, p. 260.
"Here we see
that the church the Lord's sanctuary was the first to feel the stroke of the
wrath of
God. The ancient men,
those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of
the spiritual interests
of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we
need not look for miracles
and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times
have changed. These words
strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good,
neither will He do evil. He
is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and
safety" is
the cry from men who
will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their
transgressions and the house of
Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the
ones who feel the just
vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish
together." E.G. White,
Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 211.
Isa 9:16 For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are
destroyed.
Isa 56:10 His
watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark;
sleeping, lying down, loving
to slumber.
Isa 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and
they are shepherds that
cannot understand: they all
look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Isa 56:12 Come ye,
say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink;
and to
morrow shall be as this
day, and much more abundant.
"The Bible for
Our Time.Never
are we absent from the
mind of God. God is our joy and our
salvation. Each of the ancient
prophets spoke less for their own time than for ours, so that their
prophesying is in force for us.
'Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they
are written for our
admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not unto
themselves, but unto us they
did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that
have preached the gospel
unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the
angels desire to look
into' (1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 338.
James, God is the
same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever. ( Hebrews 13 : 8 KJV). He is love but
He does justice.
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+engpado Please don't leave.
Prayerfully that is what God has inspired me to say to you.
"Oh, that men
would revere the great Head of the Church, and would manufacture less human
methods, bringing down
spirituality to the very dust with human inventions. God has been left out,
and the church is not
prepared to advance to the conflict under the banner of Jesus Christ. It is not
doing the work for
suffering souls, which Christ owns as if done to himself. But the church,
defective as it is, and enfeebled
with so much chaff, is the only object on earth upon which He
bestows His highest regard.
In His estimation, the church in heaven and the church on earth are
identical. He has promised to
come personally into the midst of his church. He says to everyone
holding a position of trust,
“Learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart,
and ye shall find rest unto
your souls. For my yoke
is easy, and my burden is light.”{PC 400.3}
If God's highest
regards is for His church why would you want to leave them to the dust?
Did God give you the
command to leave?
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Yes, He shown me
through these texts that I shared with you that His true Church must be
separate from the New
Movement Seventh Adventist Church Organization and that this organization
will go deeper in her
apostasy until be destroyed and broken in pieces by the weapons of Ezekiel 9.
The seal of God is
set on who is sighing and crying for all the abominations that is done in the
midst of Jerusalem. Who is
the God's church? Let the Spirit of Prophecy answer who is His Church:
"God has a
church. It is not the great cathedral, (or the super mega church), neither is
it the national
establishment, neither is it the
various denominations; it is the people who love
God and keep His
commandments. 'Where two or three
are gathered together in My name, there am I in the
midst of
them.' Where Christ is
even among the humble few, THIS IS CHRIST'S CHURCH, for the presence
of the High and Holy
One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church." Upward Look, p.
315.
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If you want a
testimony from the Lord through a live messenger that receive dreams and
visions
follow the link below. You will
know more present truths that the Lord has revealed to His Church.
https://omega77.tripod.com/AAAEXP.htm
Blessings,
Paulo.
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+engpado This is the last point to
end this debate. If you believe in the Spirit of Prophecy please
take heed here. Quote...
"God is leading
out a people. He has a chosen people, a church on the earth, whom He has made
the depositaries of His
law. He has committed to them sacred trust and eternal truth to be given to
the world. He would reprove
and correct them. The message to the Laodiceans is
applicable to
Seventhday Adventists who have
had great light and have not walked in the light. It is those who
have made great
profession, but have not kept in step with their Leader, that will be spewed
out of
His
mouth unless they repent. THE MESSAGE TO PRONOUNCE THE SEVENTH DAY
James Tierney Feb 23, 2015
ADVENTIST CHURCH
BABYLON, AND CALL THE PEOPLE OF GOD OUT OF HER, DOES NOT
COME FROM ANY
HEAVENLY MESSENGER, or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.
{2SM 66.2}
The True Witness
says, “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be
rich;
and white raiment, that
thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not
appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve,
that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and
chasten: be zealous
therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock; if any man hear
my voice, and open the
door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him
that overcometh will I
grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down
with my Father in his
throne” (Revelation3:1821).{
2SM 66.3}
You are running away
from the church at the exact time you should be holding on.
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Are you ignoring what
will happen with the church in Ezekiel 9? Read all the chapter 5 of
Testimonies
V. 5.
It shows too that we must be separated from the world in order to receive the
seal of God. Is the
church separated from the world? Or is the church receiving the worldly mold?
It is now that we
must keep ourselves and our children unspotted from the world. It is now that we
must wash our robes of
character and make them white in the blood of the Lamb. It is now that we
must overcome pride,
passion, and spiritual slothfulness. It is now that we must awake and make
determined effort for symmetry
of character. “Today if ye will hear His voice, harden not your
hearts.” We are in a most
trying position, waiting, watching for our Lord’s appearing. The world is in
darkness. “But ye, brethren,”
says Paul, “are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as
a thief.” It is ever
God’s purpose to bring light out of darkness, joy out of sorrow, and rest out
of
weariness for the waiting,
longing soul. – {5T 215.4}
What are you doing,
brethren, in the great work of preparation? Those who are uniting with the
world
are receiving the
worldly mold and preparing for the mark of the beast. Those who are distrustful
of
self, who are humbling themselves
before God and purifying their souls by obeying the truth these
are receiving the
heavenly mold and preparing for the seal of God in their foreheads. When the
decree goes forth and the
stamp is impressed, their character will remain pure and spotless for
eternity. – {5T 216.1}
Now is the time to
prepare. The seal of God will never be placed upon the forehead of an impure
man or woman. It will
never be placed upon the forehead of the ambitious, worldloving
man or woman. It will
never be placed upon the forehead of men or women of false tongues or deceitful
hearts. All who receive the
seal must be without spot before God—candidates for heaven. Go
forward, my brethren and
sisters. I can only write briefly upon these points at this time, merely
calling your attention to
the necessity of preparation. Search the Scriptures for yourselves, that you
may understand the
fearful solemnity of the present hour. – {5T 216.2}
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THE MESSAGE TO PRONOUNCE
THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH BABYLON, AND
CALL THE PEOPLE OF
GOD OUT OF HER, DOES NOT COME FROM ANY HEAVENLY
MESSENGER, or any
human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.{2SM 66.2}
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+engpado THE MESSAGE TO
PRONOUNCE THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH
BABYLON, AND CALL THE
PEOPLE OF GOD OUT OF HER, DOES NOT COME FROM ANY
HEAVENLY MESSENGER,
or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.{2SM
66.2}
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+engpado THE MESSAGE TO
PRONOUNCE THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH
BABYLON, AND CALL THE
PEOPLE OF GOD OUT OF HER, DOES NOT COME FROM ANY
HEAVENLY MESSENGER,
or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.{2SM
66.2}
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+engpado THE MESSAGE TO
PRONOUNCE THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH
BABYLON, AND CALL THE
PEOPLE OF GOD OUT OF HER, DOES NOT COME FROM ANY
HEAVENLY MESSENGER,
or any human agent inspired by the Spirit of God.{2SM
66.2}
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James Tierney Feb 24, 2015
+engpado Get it? If that
message doesn't come from God or any heavenly messenger, then what
am I supposed to do
with your message?
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We don't call Seventh
Day Adventist Church Babylon in anyway. We call the Church Spiritual
Jerusalem and apply
the principle that history repeats itself.
The Signs of the
Times, February 12, 1880: “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn
warning before the eyes of
modern Israel.”
“The desolation of
Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that
the
counsels and admonitions
given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with
impunity.” Prophets
and Kings, 416.
Who is modern Israel
in your estimation? Is it BABYLON? Nay! It is spiritual Jerusalem, the
professing, new movement SDA
church.
The ruin of Jerusalem
was a symbol of the final ruin that shall overwhelm the world. The prophecies
that received a partial
fulfillment in the overthrow of Jerusalem have a more direct application to the
last days. We are now
standing on the threshold of great and solemn events. A crisis is before us,
such as the world has
never witnessed. And sweetly to us, as to the first disciples, comes the
assurance that God’s kingdom
ruleth over all. The program of coming events is in the hands of our
Maker. The Majesty of
heaven has the destiny of nations, as well as the concerns of His church, in
His
own charge.
The divine Instructor is saying to every agent in the accomplishment of His
plans,
as He said to Cyrus, “I
girded thee, though thou hast not known Me.” Isaiah 45:5. – {MB 120.2}
But about Babylon
read the following:
Cleansing of the
Camp—We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp
of Israel.
Licentiousness,
unlawful intimacy, and unholy practices are coming in among us in a large
degree;
and ministers who are
handling sacred things are guilty of sin in this respect. They are coveting
their neighbors’ wives,
and the seventh commandment is broken. We are in danger of becoming a
sister to fallen Babylon,
of allowing our churches to become corrupted, and filled with every foul
spirit, A CAGE FOR EVERY
UNCLEAN AND HATEFUL BIRD; and will we be clear
unless we make
decided movements to cure
the existing evil? – {TSB 188.3}
The world must not be
introduced into the church, and married to the church, forming a bond of
unity. Through this means
the church will become indeed corrupt, and as stated in Revelation, “A
CAGE OF EVERY UNCLEAN
AND HATEFUL BIRD” – {TM 265.1}
“Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of
every
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foul spirit, and A CAGE
OF EVERY UNCLEAN AND HATEFUL BIRD.” Revelation 18:2.
Don't you see any
RESEMBLANCE in the texts? Or Am I seeing more than what is wrote?
If the Adventist
Church became a sister to fallen Babylon, then we can apply the message to
Babylon to the
Adventist Church too!
When studying a issue we can't ignore a text
that seems contradict others. We must join ALL THE
TEXTS
about the topic and only then to form a conclusion. You ignore Ezekiel 9
and all the other
texts that I presented
with all its implications. You don't apply the follow rule of biblical
interpretation:
Those who are engaged
in proclaiming the third angel’s message are searching the Scriptures upon
the same plan that
Father Miller adopted. In the little book entitled “Views of the Prophecies and
Prophetic
Chronology,” Father Miller gives the following simple but intelligent and
important rules for
Bible study and
interpretation: – {RH November 25, 1884 Par. 23}
“1. Every word must
have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible; 2. ALL
SCRIPTURE IS
NECESSARY, and may be understood by diligent application and study; 3.
Nothing
revealed in Scripture can or
will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering; 4. To understand
doctrine, bring all the
scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have
its proper influence;
and if you can form your theory without a
contradiction, you cannot be in error;
5. Scripture must be
its own expositor, since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to
expound to me, and he should
guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his
sectarian creed, or to be
thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and
not the Bible.” – {RH
November 25, 1884 Par. 24}
Why don't you aply this ESSENTIAL rule of biblical interpretation?
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+engpado You have made up your
mind...
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James Tierney Feb 25, 2015
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+engpado I am prompted not to
debate you on this any more because you are not
willing to learn.
In other words you
have made up your mind.
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James Tierney Feb 25, 2015
I want to learn. Why
don't you answer my questions?
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engpado Yesterday 8:50 AM
+engpado I don't see any
learning going on. I listen to what God tells me to do. But if you have a
specific question then ask,
and I will pray for the answer.
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James Tierney Yesterday 1:15 PM
If the spirit that
you listen is from God let me test you. Ask him to tell you: what did I dream
last
night?
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+engpado I have been put in
that position before and God always tells me to tell them "A wicked
and adulterous generation
looks for a sign but no sign will be given but the sign of Jonah." And
then
He tells me to share
the meaning of the sign of Jonah which God has given me a vision about. It
was fulfilled in
Gethsemane on Thursday evening and this completes the three days and three
nights. Here is the
complete vision. But
He also tells me that you are not who you say you are and
that you only want to fight
so I will not get into it with you unless you repent.
Here is the blog with
the vision in it...
http://redheifersbloodysweat.blogspot.com/2011/12/redheifer.
html
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James Tierney 1:57 PM
Beloved, believe not
every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false
prophets are gone out into
the world. ( 1 John 4 : 1 KJV)
I am no sinning if I
try the spirit before believing.
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engpado 2:49 PM
I read your study.
And all I can tell you is:
Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good. ( 1
Thessalonians 5 : 21 KJV)
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I know who I am and I
am not lying!
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+engpado You ask for a sign and
God told you the truth. Now you don't know what to believe.
Everything that God
showed me is truth in perfect harmony with scripture and the Spirit of
Prophecy, even though
I am not worthy of this great gift, I know it is from God because it
illuminates deeper and deeper
into the word. Perfect harmony for those who are in the Spirit is noise
to those who want to
make it about them.
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James Tierney 3:47 PM
What truth? You
didn't mention the fate of the SDA chuch in Ezekiel
9. Your preach seems like the
dumb dogs that mislead
the people of God. You don't preach based on the Word of God anyway. I
have doubts about your
claims.
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Ron Beaulieu’s Comments:
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Ron
Beaulieu
To: Ron Beaulieu ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues]
My debate with James Tierney. [1 Attachment]
Brother Paulo,
You did a great
job, but God does not necessarily reval to true
prophets the dreams of others. God showed Daniel the dream of Nebuchadnezzar,
but God did not do that in other instances. I would apologize to James for that
remark because you lost on that front, where you were winning before that.
All blessings,
Ron
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Ron
Beaulieu
To: Ron Beaulieu ; AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues]
My debate with James Tierney. [1 Attachment]
James wrote: "engpado
Brother Paulo, yes
history is to repeat itself, so on the day of Pentecost were the
disciples told to leave Jerusalem before the promise
came? How long were they told to speak to
Israel first? Our message is for Seventh Day Adventists to
prepare them to receive the latter rain,
to get them to meet with us in the upper room
for the promise.
Then when the Spirit empowers the message
those who were on the fence will either submit to God
or leave the church. This is historically what
happened to the Jews. They were given until the
Stoning of Stephen to
repent. But then they went
too far and were cut off, just like those who refuse
the present truth in these days will go too far
and persecute us. They will raise hands against us
and be cut off from God.
We are not to leave the church, they will put
us out and reject the latter rain, and we will shine with
the knowledge of the glory of the Lord and
proclaim the Loud Cry. DO NOT LEAVE PLEASE."
Ron responds:
"The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue
of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the
Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As
the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it
safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many
went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until
they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that
this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the
abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The
Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p.
264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Friday, February 27, 2015 6:46 PM
Subject:
Re: [AdventistHotIssues] My debate with James Tierney.
[1 Attachment]
James Tierney wrote: "Divisions will come in
the church. Two parties will be developed. The wheat and tares grow up together
for the harvest.—Selected Messages2:114
(1896).{LDE 172.3} But very soon those unconverted men
will be purged from our church..."
Ron responds: If that is true, why does Ezekiel 9 begin at
HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, 5T 211?
James is a relatively new Adventist. His quote above ab
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Beaulieu
To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Friday, February 27, 2015 6:46 PM
Subject:
Re: [AdventistHotIssues] My debate with James
Tierney. [1 Attachment]
James Tierney wrote: "Divisions will come in
the church. Two parties will be developed. The wheat and tares grow up together
for the harvest.—Selected Messages2:114
(1896).{LDE 172.3} But very soon those unconverted men
will be purged from our church..."
Ron responds: If that is true, why does Ezekiel 9 begin at
HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, 5T 211?
James is a relatively new Adventist. His quote above about
the wheat and tares does not consider THORNS (open sinning apostates) WHOSE
CORRUPTION MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE WHEAT TO MATURE. That is why Christ
gathered out His disciples and they gathered out all the true Christians into
home churches.
Ron