Do the Judgments of the Trumpets and the Plagues Come From God or Satan?


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Some are teaching that Trumpets 1-4 are the mercy of Jesus. This is the teaching of Steve Nagy of Australia. God’s Word and Ellen White say that the Trumpets and the Plagues are held back by the four angels holding the four winds until every case is decided. That would be until the close of probation, because there are cases being decided as long as probation continues. Here is Steve Nagy’s statement to me in response to my vision that Satan counterfeits the Seven Trumpets.




Steve Nagy believes that it is an act of the mercy of Jesus to send Trumpets 1-4 to stop WW3 so as to allow the Loud Cry. So the valid questions arises: Why would Jesus inflict Trumpet 1-4 before the Loud Cry, when He told John in Revelation 7, and Ellen White, that the four winds would be held back until every case is decided in the Sanctuary? Did Jesus lie to John and Ellen White?

"At the commencement of the holy Sabbath, January 5, 1849, we engaged in prayer with Brother Belden’s family at Rocky Hill, Connecticut, and the Holy Ghost fell upon us. I was taken off in vision to the most holy place, where I saw Jesus still interceding for Israel. On the bottom of His garment was a bell and a pomegranate, a bell and a pomegranate. Then I saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy place until every case was decided either for salvation or destruction, and that the wrath of God could not come until Jesus had finished His work in the most holy place, laid off His priestly attire, and clothed Himself with the garments of vengeance."{CET 100.1}

Every case involves more than just the 144,000. Ellen White agrees with John the Revelator.

“I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was done in the sanctuary, and then will come the seven last plagues. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacob’s trouble. Then all the saints cried out with anguish of spirit, and were delivered by the voice of God. The one hundred and forty-four thousand triumphed. Their faces were lighted up with the glory of God.” {CET 100.3}


It all comes down to this conclusion: Either Jesus, John the Revelator, and Ellen White are all FALSE PROPHETS, or Steve Nagy’s theology is seriously flawed.


Let’s look at the first four trumpets to determine if they constitute an act of mercy by Jesus, or an evil ATTEMPT by Satan in order to destroy men before they can be saved:

Rev 8:6  And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 

Rev 8:7  The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 

Rev 8:8  And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 

Rev 8:9   And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. 

Rev 8:10  And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 

Rev 8:11   And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. 

Steve Nagy is saying that it is a merciful act of Jesus, to inflict the first four Trumpets BEFORE the Loud Cry? Does Jesus kill a third of the men on a third of the ships at sea BEFORE the Loud Cry which is to test all men?

Does Jesus kill “MANY MEN” who die because He poisons the waters BEFORE the Midnight Cry? Or does that sound like something Satan might do? Now keep in mind, all of this would be in contradiction to what Jesus told John and Ellen White, AND YOU, through Jesus (John 7) and Ellen White in the statements we quoted by her (scroll up)?




·       Does God Almighty inflict the first four Trumpets BEFORE the Sunday Law; BEFORE the Loud Cry which begins at the National Sunday Law?

·       Does God inflict the Seven Trumpets and the Seven Last Plagues at all? Is it God or Satan who causes both when God’s removes His Spirit from the earth?

·       It is more merciful for God to hold the four winds until the Loud Cry is over and every case is decided as Revelation 7 and Ellen White teach?

·       Is it God’s fault that Satan attempts to inflict a modicum of the Seven Trumpets so that he can convince the world that they are over when he personates the second coming of Christ?

·       God’s Word says that the Seven Trumpets and the four winds will be held back until every case is decided, so it is not God’s lack of mercy that Satan seeks to inflict a simile of the Seven Trumpets in order to pave the way for his impersonation of Christ’s coming.

·       If Ellen White says that God destroys (kills) no man, who inflicts the final Seven Trumpets when the four winds are released at the Sixth Trumpet?

·       Why does the Bible say that five trumpets occur before the four winds are released in the Sixth Trumpet, when in Revelation 7, God explicitly says that the four winds will be held until everyone who is saved is sealed.

·       Does Jesus say anywhere that He would inflict the first four Trumpets to stop WW III? I cannot find anything that says that.

·       Would it be merciful to kill the men on a third of the ships of the world, BEFORE the final test comes to all men? (Trumpet number 1)

·       Could it be that the first four Trumpets are counterfeited by Satan in order to convince the Evangelicals that it is time for Jesus to come, so he (Satan) can come first? Is that why there are four trumpets released BEFORE the four winds are released in the Sixth Trumpet? Or is God just contradicting Himself?

·       Is it an act of mercy for Satan to fake the first four Trumpets, so he can counterfeit the second coming of Christ?

·       It can’t be God who is responsible for the first four Trumpets BEFORE THE SUNDAY LAW, because God specifically told John in Revelation Chapter 7, to hold the four winds and not to hurt the earth or the sea until all saints, including the great multitude are sealed, and John saw that sealing finished before the Trumpets begin in Revelation 8.


There is good evidence that Satan destroys himself and all who are destroyed by his devices, when God removes His protection from the earth. There is now scientific evidence that Satan can roll back the sky as a scroll. That is happening before our very eyes as astro scientists find holes in the ozone layer as the sky rolls back like a scroll, and the same factors that caused this continue the process.


Scientists are now able via HAARP installations around the world to cause huge earthquakes such as occurred in Japan that resulted in the destruction of their nuclear plant, and affects the entire world. The results of man’s tooling around with Large Hadron Collider’s is not yet known.


Man’s geoengineering of the weather is producing all manner of EXTREME WEATHER EVILS, such as large amounts of huge, destructive hail in various parts of the world. Will man finally produce the 40 talent size hail mentioned in the Bible? I believe so!


See the link: This is what happened to the scientist who stuck his head inside a particle accelerator


Giant Hail and and Apocalyptic Hail Storms around the Globe.


Intense storm produces large hail accumulations in Biblián, Ecuador


15 Feet of Hail: Tracking the Deep Stuff


Hail in Spain


Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.



Since Ellen White said God destroys NO MAN, are the seven trumpets occurring BEFORE GOD’S TIMETABLE OF THE SIXTH TRUMPET, BEFORE THE MIDNIGHT CRY; BEFORE THE SUNDAY LAW, BEFORE THE CLOSE OF PROBATION—to be attributed to the mercy of Jesus, or the fake, false flag counterfeits of Satan, to convince the world the Trumpets are over, so he can impersonate the second coming of Jesus?


"God destroys no one." Testimonies, Vol. 5, 120.


"God destroys no man. Everyone who is destroyed will have destroyed himself." Christ's Object Lessons, 84.


“I was shown that the judgments of God would not come directly out from the Lord upon them, but in this way: They place themselves beyond His protection. He warns, corrects, reproves, and points out the only path of safety; then, if those who have been the objects of His special care will follow their own course, independent of the Spirit of God, after repeated warnings, if they choose their own way, then He does not commission His angels to prevent Satan’s decided attacks upon them.”        {LDE 242.1}


“It is Satan’s power that is at work at sea and on land, bringing calamity and distress and sweeping off multitudes to make sure of his prey.”—Manuscript Releases 14:3 (1883).  {LDE 242.2}


“God will use His enemies as instruments to punish those who have followed their own pernicious ways whereby the truth of God has been misrepresented, misjudged, and dishonored.”—The Paulson Collection of Ellen G. White Letters, 136 (1894).        {LDE 242.3}


"God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejecters of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown. Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown, which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protections from the malice and enmity of Satan." The Great Controversy, p. 36.


“I was shown that the judgments of God would not come directly out from the Lord upon them, but in this way: They place themselves beyond His protection. …[After] repeated warnings, if they choose their own way, then He does not commission His angels to prevent Satan's decided attacks upon them.  {LDE 242.1} 


“The apostle John in vision heard a loud voice in Heaven exclaiming, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time." [Revelation 12:12.] Fearful are the scenes which call forth this exclamation from the heavenly voice. The wrath of Satan increases as his time grows short, and his work of deceit and destruction reaches its culmination in the time of trouble. God's long-suffering has ended.




“The world has rejected his mercy, despised his love, and trampled upon his law. The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation, and the Lord withdraws his protection, and leaves them to the mercy of the leader they have chosen. Satan will have power over those who have yielded themselves to his control, and he will plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old.”  {4SP 440.3}


Now, do you think Trumpets 1-4 are the “mercy of Jesus?” when Jesus said they are not to begin until the sixth trumpet when the four winds are loosed? Even then, they won’t be caused by Jesus! ~rwb


Wow ! 


Satan counterfeits the TRUMPETS ??


So . . .  MERCY comes via SATAN since the Trumpets are Wrath mixed with Mercy ! 


So . . .  Satan STOPS WW3 with the Four Trumpets, and thus it must be SATAN who casts down the censor in Rev 8:5


So . . .  Satan must be the one who answers the prayers of ALL the Saints in Rev 8:3 !


So . . .  its SATAN that looks down in MERCY upon the Remnant that are not sealed and commands the Four angels to HOLD the Four Winds


SO ! The 144K are NOT sealed before Tribulation because the Four Winds are ONLY held until they are sealed. Ron says the Four Winds are held until the Plagues. So there will be no WW3 because WAR is ARMY as per Rev 9:16 and Winds are fierce human passions and strife says Ellen White. No winds, NO WAR. 





The GREAT Blasphemer, SATAN. Satan is not my brother, the Pope is not my Brother and neither are you Ron. You have shaken yourself OUT. 


I won't reply to your article since you believe that your VISIONS are the FINAL WORD.