An
Open Letter to Walter Veith
What follows is an open letter to Walter Veith in
response to a person who writes frequent emails to me pretending to be Walter
Veith. I know who the person is, but will refrain from
citing his name. He writes to me under the pseudonym of wveith1844.
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Sun, Nov 25, 11:40 AM (2 days ago) |
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Just PROVE that there is no new movement, and that
the new movement that has REMOVED GOD, and will ALLOW NOTHING TO STAND IN ITS
WAY, is God's true church militant teaching the pure truth and only the pure
truth. TRY IT!
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Sun, Nov 25, 5:09 PM (2 days ago) |
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Here is your proof
Lt 16, 1893, par. 2
The Lord has not given you a message to call the
Seventh-day Adventist church Babylon, and to call the people of God to come out
of her. All the reasons you may present cannot have weight with me on this
subject, because the Lord has given me decided light that is opposed to such a
message.
There is decides light that is opposed to your
message. This why I recommend Super Glue.
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Mon, Nov 26, 9:58 AM (19 hours ago) |
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1. The quote you cite
was written to Stanton and Caldwell in 1893, when Ellen White said the church
was receiving a refreshing from the Holy Spirit. Ellen White said to ALWAYS
apply TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCES to her statements, which you refuse to do.
Thus, you take her statement out of context as to time, place and circumstance,
and apply it to ALL TIME NO MATTER WHAT THE CHURCH DOES OR WILL DO. That is a
gross misapplication of the Testimonies.
2. I do not call the SDA church Babylon. I claim to belong to the True
SDA church. Why would I call it Babylon.
3. I don't even call the apostate SDA church Babylon. It is apostate
JERUSALEM, Isaiah 37:31, 32, wherein all the dross will be gathered. Ezekiel
22:17-31, as was the case in the last LITERAL FULFILLMENT OF EZEKIEL 9.
4. Satan well knew of your "PROOF," so he came in and formed an
apostate NEW MOVEMENT, NEW ORGANIZATION "AMONG" "WITHIN"
the once SDA church militant, and YOU and all the other foolish virgins are none-the-wiser.
5. In the PREFIGURE TYPOLOGY TYPE of Ezekiel 9, over one million Jews
perished because they could not discern TRUE JERUSALEM, from APOSTATE
JERUSALEM. That is your plight G_ _ _, and all who are hypnotized to believe as
you do.
6. We were to consider TIME, PLACE AND CIRCUMSTANCE in
regard to ALL Ellen White's statements, and you G_ _ _, and Walter
Veith, DO NOT FOLLOW THAT SAGE ADVICE.
7. I do not call you out of the new movement that has removed God. As
John the Baptist said to the apostate leaders of his day: "Who has warned
you from the WRATH to come?"
8. I believe you are right where you should be. That is why you recommend
SUPER GLUE. My message of warning is to those who have spiritual discernment
enough to know that a new movement that has removed God (1SM 204-205) is no
longer the SDA church, nor a church militant teaching only the truth.
You opine:
What a
distortion of Ellen White you present!
Christ in
His Sanctuary, p. 15.6
“The Saviour
foretold that in the latter days false prophets would appear, and draw away
disciples after them; and also that those who in this time of peril should
stand faithful to the truth that is specified in the book of Revelation, would
have to meet doctrinal errors so specious that, if it were possible, the very
elect would be deceived.
Christ and
Ellen White has warned us of those like you. Jeremiah
and Ezekiel speak of the restoration of Israel (The SDA Church) in the Last
Days which of course you do not mention. You pervert the Writings in
order trumpet Satan's message. Your message of warning is calculated
to cause as many to join Satan as possible.
Francois is
much amused by your conclusions.
Ron responds:
Walter Veith and Francois du Plessis are false prophets drawing disciples
after them. They DO NOT stand faithful to the truth specified in the book of
Revelation, Jeremiah or Ezekiel. They are two of the very elect
who are deceived. You and they are adamantly defending a new movement which we
were NEVER to join, but rather REPUDIATE. 1Sm 205. You do not obey the SOP
Counsel to REPUDIATE the new movement. You advise that we SUPER GLUE ourselves
to it NO MATTER WHAT IT DOES. You use the apostasy of Israel to excuse the
apostasy of the new movement, which is an abomination, for some of us know that
God gave Israel and Judah a bill of divorce and then destroyed Israel in A.D.
70, except for a remanant that escaped out of
apostate Jerusalem by fleeing to Pella, after that remnant had been gathered
out into home churches from A.D. 34 on. Jeremiah’s Teaching on the Church at
the End Time
http://www.adventistlaymen.com/wwn%20articles/wwn11(80).pdf
http://www.present-truth.org/MP3s/DB/FALSE%20REVIVALS%20Bauer.pdf
Let’s examine what Revelation, Jeremiah and Ezekiel say about the last
days as compared to the teachings of Walter Veith, Francois du Plessis, AND THE
REAL WRITER WHO IS PRETENDING TO BE WALTER VEITH. He has also written me emails
pretending to be James Tierney, Ernie Knoll, Ted Wilson, and a pastor Stair.
This persons name is really legion, for he demonically impersonates many other
persons.
Revelation 14 says that God’s people will be KEEPING the commandments of
God. Walter Veith and the others cited herein, are teaching that it is
impossible to obey the commandments of God this side of glorification. Isaiah
8:20 applies. None of those named teach corporate responsibility for the
abominations of the new movement we were never to join. They do not teach
corporate responsibility for the ecumenical liaison of the new movement to the
World Council of Churches and its subsidiary National Councils and more local
Ministerial Associations. This is in violation of the first and second angels message they propose to teach, while being in
violation of it themselves.
Jeremiah
How is it that none of the parties cited herein teach the following about
Jeremiah’s teachings about the church in the last days?
COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray
not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:9-15], neither lift up cry nor
prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The
prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful
denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by
their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end
thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even
unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of
the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no
peace.' The apostles
declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days.
Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof.
They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They
say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity
are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these
self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in
their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and
will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent
Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.
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Ellen White says that the above is what the apostles declare to be
the state of things in the last days. How is it
that Walter Veith, Francois du Plessis and the others named herein never quote
the above state of things PER JEREMIAH, but
speak rather of statements by Jeremiah and Ezekiel that were CONDITIONAL to the
obedience of the Jews.
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God says in Jeremiah Chapters 7 and 11, “PRAY NOT THOU FOR THIS
PEOPLE.”
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In Chapter 11:16 God asks what His bride has
to do in His house since SHE, HIS CHURCH, HAS WROUGHT LEWDNESS WITH
MANY.
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Ellen White says that all of the above
will have its COUNTERPART in the last days, and Ellen White applies it to “MY
PEOPLE,” the church.
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The new movement DELIGHTS in their abominations. Walter Veith
and Francois do not deal with those abominations. They do not make the only
response Jesus Himself made to the apostate church of His day. He and His
disciples SEPARATED.
COUNTERPART: "The members of our churches are not incorrigible; the fault is not
so much to be charged upon them as upon their teachers. Their ministers do not
feed them." Special Testimonies, Series A, No.1, p.46.
"Shall the Lord be compelled to say, `Pray not thou for this people,
neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to Me: for I
will not hear thee' [Jeremiah 7:16]? `Therefore the showers have been
withholden, and there hath been no latter rain....Wilt thou not from this time
cry unto Me, My Father, thou art the guide of my youth' [Jeremiah 3:3-4]?...
We are to be judged by the light that has been given us,(159) and we can
find no excuse by which to extenuate our course." Review and Herald,
Vol. 3, p 69-70 (August 1, 1893). (Brackets by Ellen White)
COUNTERPART: "In the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the
precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was
impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour came to clear
away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the
jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What would the Saviour do if he
should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He would have to do a similar work
in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly
disturbed when he did this work [As are SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of
the original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our work
to free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G.
White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 308.
“The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, "Pray not thou for
this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them; neither make intercession
to me; for I will not hear thee." The prophet thus describes the sins
which had called forth this fearful denunciation: "The prophets prophesy
falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have
it so; and what will ye do in the end thereof?" "From the least of
them even unto the greatest of them, every one is
given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one
dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people
slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace." {RH, November 7,
1882 par. 8}
The apostles declare that this state of things will find its
counterpart in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in
their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of
their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, "The
church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her
borders." The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers,
"They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their
abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and
will bring their fears upon them." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 9}
“The carnal mind is enmity against God. Not one
of us can love and keep his commandments, only as we deny self, and take upon
ourselves the yoke of Christ. Divine truth has never been in harmony with the
traditions and customs of the world; it has never conformed to their opinions.
Christ himself received not honor from men. He was meek and lowly of heart, and made himself of no reputation. His simple dress
and unpretending manners were in so marked contrast to the pomposity,
self-conceit, and vain display of the Pharisees, that they would not accept
him. All witnessed the manifestation of divine power, but few saw in Christ,
amid his sufferings and humiliation, the Saviour of the world.” {RH, November
7, 1882 par. 10}
“At the present day a form of godliness is
popular, even in the world. A profession of Christianity costs little. But
those who follow Jesus must walk in the same path of self-denial and
cross-bearing which the Master trod. They may be lightly esteemed by the world,
but they are honored of God.” {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 11}
Ezekiel
on the church in the Last Days
Even the SDA Bible Commentary teaches that much of Ezekiel was
CONDITIONAL to the Jews. It is damnable to apply to Adventists that which was
CONDITIONAL to the Jews. All three: GOD, EZEKIEL AND ELLEN WHITE, teach what
Ezekiel says about the church at the end-time:
How is it that Walter Veith, Francois du Plessis NEVER teach the
following teachings of God, Ellen White and Ezekiel? How so? Why not? I will
tell you why: Because they are false prophets drawing others to themselves
rather than the clear, revealed teachings of God, Ezekiel and Jeremiah. They
would not have near the following they have if they taught these serious
PRESENT TRUTHS of the Bible and the SOP. Walter would NEVER have the funds for
an expensive RESORT LAKE HOME if he taught all this truth. That is why He
refrains from teaching it. This, I was shown.
Manuscripts of E.G. White, p 40-42; Selected
Messages, book 3, p 387).
"The time is soon coming when the work of God's judgments will begin
at His sanctuary. God Himself is now drawing the separating line. He
says, ‘As for Me also, Mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but
I will recompense their way upon their head’ [Ezekiel 9:10]." Letter 3,
January 1, 1900, Last Day Events from the Letters and Manuscripts of E.G.
White, p 90-91.
Begin at My Sanctuary -- "Here we see that the church--the Lord's
sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient
men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of
the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken
the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of
God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their
unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He
is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus 'Peace and safety"
is the cry from men who will never again lift up their
voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of
Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the
just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish
together." E. G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211.
Walter Veith and Francois, and you (writer pretending to be Walter Veith)
WON’T BE AMUSED when Ezekiel 9 begins at YOUR CHURCH, YOUR SANCTUARY.
Intentionally or not, you are
recommending SUPER GLUE so that men, maidens and little children will all
perish together. The apostate Jewish leaders also told the people that the
Temple was God’s church and that the Romans would never penetrate the gates of
Jerusalem. Chapter 1 of The
Great Controversy, was the result. On page 25 of that book, Ellen White
said that was a PREFIGURE of the terrors of the last great day, and in 5T 211,
she said it BEGINS AT HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, and on page 653-656 it ends
with the destruction of Babylon. Judgment begins at the House of God.
In the PREFIGURE, all faithful Christians were gathered out of the
apostate Jewish church into Home Churches established by the disciples. The
churches in Revelation chapters 2 & 3 are some of them. So
it will be in the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, per Isaiah 37:31, 32.
"In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few
realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between
him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed
against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people should have and
what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to
enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not
the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions should be
solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as
unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson
Collection, p. 55.
"Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet
the time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their
souls and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the
people who have such great and important truths revealed to them, but who
refuse to bring these truths into their individual experience. The time is
short. God is calling will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be
converted before it is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided
for eternity. Letter 106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in
Oakland and Berkeley, September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript
Releases Volume One, p. 260.
“The time will
soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy
should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very
letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1303.
The Signs of
the Times, February 12, 1880: “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as
a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.”
“The desolation of
Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels
and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be
disregarded with impunity.” Prophets and Kings, 416.
Who is modern Israel (above) in your estimation?
It is very difficult
to twist the following statement by Ellen White, regarding Jesus’ response to
the apostasy of the “chosen” people church of His day. Is that why Walter Veith
and Francois du Plessis NEVER quote the following statements?
“Christ was a protestant. He protested
against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the
counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines
the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like
whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and
corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and
separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his
followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as
presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient
guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a
curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry. {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}
When
a corporate church engages apostasy and will not put it away and out of the
camp, the faithful must
leave or be corporately responsible. This is the reason Christ and His
disciples left. This is why Paul left. This is why Protestants left Rome. This is
why Adventists left the other churches in 1844, when they would not
tolerate light.
Jesus Left
"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date
back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a
religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the
reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
Paul left
“And
he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months,
disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. 9But when divers were hardened, and believed
not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them,
and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.”
Acts 19:8, 9.
“Fearing that the faith of the believers would be
endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul
separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body.” E.G.
White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 285, 286.
"The recreant priests added licentiousness to
the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still
polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin,
dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed
the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not
to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their
peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to
offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable
to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the
Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1,
1881.
"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's
message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the
religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to
another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the
gospel to all nations.
As the light and life of men was rejected by the
ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in
every succeeding generation. Again and again the
history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers
preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the
established church but the religious leaders would not
tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class,
who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated
by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept
truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the
steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in
order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same
teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render
obedience." E.G.
White, Desire
of Ages,
232.
"Even though you may not be able to speak a
word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal
and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those
who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate
with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel,
Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will
endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve
before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with
them. Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not
the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and
ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review
& Herald Vol. 4, p. 42.
~Ron B.