Walter Veith on Sticking Your Posterior to a Pew With Super Glue!

Veith used to say: “Just sit there.” He has updated that advice to say: Adventists should buy a BIG POT OF SUPER GLUE, and put some on the pew, and

 some on their posterior, and glue themselves to a pew in the church.

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In a recent video interview, Walter Veith used the metaphor of advising Adventists to buy a big pot of super glue and glue their posterior to a pew in the church, and to remain with the church no matter what the church has done. This advice is totally contrary to the typology Christ used when His first “chosen people” refused to put sin our of their camp in A.D. 27 and on.


Ellen White says that when using her writings, time, place and circumstance should be considered. This advice is surely applicable to Biblical typology as well. For example, it would not be wise to teach that Christ and His followers remained with the apostate Jewish church no matter what it did. It would not be wise to teach that true reformers of every succeeding generation remained in the churches of their fathers, no matter what those churches did. In fact, it would be wise to investigate as to exactly what Jesus and His Christian followers did when gross apostasy appeared in their Temple organized church. It would be wise and proper to investigate what all true reformers of every succeeding generation have done.


Ask yourselves the question: Did Jesus or any true prophet of God instruct His people to remain glued to any apostate, open sinning organization, no matter what it did?


Walter Veith refers often to the typology of Moses and Daniel. He doesn’t refer to the typology of Jesus and His disciples and what they did when Israel refused to put away their open sins. And Veith does not state the full truth of what Moses, Daniel, Jeremiah and Isaiah taught and did. For example, in the same video interview alluded to above, Walter Veith uses the typology of Moses in Exodus 32, as an example of what Adventists should do in light of the open sin apostasy of the SDA church today. But Veith omits a very crucial part of the story. Veith cites how Moses prayed that his name would be blotted out of God’s book if God would not forgive the sin of Israel at the Golden Calf apostasy, Exodus 32:32 below:


Exo 32:25  And when Moses saw that the people were naked; (for Aaron had made them naked unto their shame among their enemies:) 

Exo 32:26   Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. 

Exo 32:27   And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. 

Exo 32:28   And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. 

Exo 32:29   For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day. 

Exo 32:30  And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 

Exo 32:31   And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 

Exo 32:32   Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin—; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 

Exo 32:33  And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 

Exo 32:34   Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. 

Exo 32:35  And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.


It is of extreme importance to notice exactly what Moses’ response to the apostasy was, and the order of his response:

1.    First, Moses stood in the gate of the camp and separated those who were repentant, those who were on the Lord’s side. All the sons of Levi gathered together unto Moses.

2.    Then Moses instructed the sons of Levi to take their swords and go throughout the camp and slay every man that had not repented. They killed 3000 open sinners who would not repent. That is how Moses dealt with open sin in the camp. But when all the bleeding hearts advise you that we should follow the example of Moses and Daniel, they don’t mention this killing of  the apostates. Now I am not saying we should ever kill anyone, because we are not to kill. But I am saying that Moses knew the importance of separation from open sinners.

3.    Bleeding hearts always mention that Daniel and Moses prayed for God’s erring people. What they don’t mention is the fact that Moses supplicated the Lord on the part of those who had repented, ON THE MORROW (THE NEXT DAY) AFTER the Sons of Levi killed 3000 who would not repent, VERSE 30.

4.    Moses supplicated God to forgive those who repented, NOT THE OPEN SINNING APOSTATES. Moses made his supplication AFTER the apostates were separated from the camp by death.

5.    Why did Moses instruct the killing of 3000 non-repentant apostates when God’s law says not to kill? I don’t know the answer to that question, but I will venture a guess: Israel was a theocracy, and unrepented of sin was dealt with this way in ancient biblical times because there was no other remedy. In the case of Korah, Dathan, Abiram and company, God opened up the earth and swallowed them up.

6.    Walter Veith may not know why Moses instructed the Levites to kill 3000 apostates, but he should not neglect to mention this part of the story when citing how wonderful and Godly Moses and Daniel were and how we must follow their example. Would he have us kill the apostates? I think not! He won’t even leave them. He wants us to super glue ourselves to their pews.

Walter Veith also mentions Jeremiah, but he does not mention wherein God told Jeremiah not to even pray for the Jews in Jeremiah 11:9-15, because of the nature of their apostasy, and God told him that if he prayed, HE WOULD NOT HEAR HIS PRAYER. The apostles taught that this instruction NOT TO PRAY FOR THIS PEOPLE would have an end-time application as well, upon God’s end-time “chosen people,” to wit:

COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:9-15], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.

What were the sins that were so grievous that God as much as said their sin was unpardonable, so that He would not hear Jeremiah’s prayer for them?

·       The prophets prophesied falsely, and the priests ruled by their own (man’s) means and the people loved to have it so.

·       Every member was given to covetousness and dealt falsely.

·       They cry peace, peace when there is no peace.

·       They had ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. SDA leaders today deny that the church is in apostasy.

·       Never again will the dumb-dog watchmen bark to show the House of Jacob its sins. Isaiah 56:10-12 and 5T 211.

·       They stand up at every campmeeting to brag about how the church is flourishing and that peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders! You have heard it!

·       They are self-deceivers who have chosen their own ways over the ways of God.

·       Their souls delight in their abominations, rather than sigh and cry for all the abominations in the church and in the world.

Does Walter Veith ever present these serious warnings to his hearers? Nay! And Ellen White said that such “watchmen” will NEVER AGAIN do so. 5T 211.


Ellen White said: "Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..." E. G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, 71.


“Biblical separation is the recognition that God has called believers out of the world and into a personal and corporate purity in the midst of sinful cultures. Biblical separation is usually considered in two areas: personal and ecclesiastical.


Personal separation involves an individual’s commitment to a godly standard of behavior. Daniel practiced personal separatism when he “resolved not to defile himself with the royal food and wine” (Daniel 1:8). His was a biblical separatism because his standard was based on God’s revelation in the Mosaic law.


The Bible clearly teaches that the child of God is to be separate from the world. “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: ‘I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.’ Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord” (2 Corinthians 6:14-17; see also 1 Peter 1:14-16).


Ecclesiastical separation involves the decisions of a church concerning its ties to other organizations, based on their theology or practices. Separatism is implied in the very word “church,” which comes from the Greek word ekklesia meaning “a called-out assembly.” In Jesus’ letter to the church of Pergamum, He warned against tolerating those who taught false doctrine (Revelation 2:14-15). The church was to be separate, breaking ties with heresy. A modern example of ecclesiastical separation could be a denomination’s stance against ecumenical alliances which would unite the church with apostates.”


The Typology of Christ When the Leaders Commit Open Sin and They Cannot be Removed From the Church


·       Walter Veith loves to mention the word typology. He does it often. But he uses Bible typology totally out of context as to time, place and circumstance, and/or he omits the part(s) he doesn’t like, such as the example of Moses I cited above. Veith does not mention the Biblical principle of the necessity of OPEN SIN being removed from the camp lest it function like THORNS to choke out the wheat and kill it, making it impossible for the wheat to mature. Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature. (Luke 8:4-7). Thorns can arise in the personal spiritual life in the form of open sin, and thus be carried into the corporate church by open sinners.


·       Walter Veith says that the SDA church is the only one that is keeping God’s commandments. The omega new movement, new organization, that has removed God (1SM 204-205), cannot keep His commandments, because His presence provides the power that is entirely necessary to keep the commandments.


·       Walter Veith defines the SDA church as Laodicea which means lukewarm. The Lord has shown me many times that the church ceased to be LAODICEAN/LUKEWARM many decades ago, when it turned COLD APOSTATE, by:


(A)         Forming an omega New Movement, New Organization, that has removed God and pillar doctrines. (1SM, 204-205).

(B)          Teaching an antichrist version of the human nature of Christ; that He did not have the nature of Adam before or after the fall because He was sired by the Holy Ghost and we aren’t; therefore He cannot be our example because He was different from us and had no propensity to sin. The truth of this is the fact that when we are born again, we receive the Holy Ghost to empower us just as the Holy Ghost empowered Christ.

(C)          Adopting Rome’s Central Doctrine, the Trinity Doctrine, which negates the heavenly Sanctuary/Atonement Incarnation Sacrifice, whereby a THIRD PERSON was added to the Godhead, rather teaching that there were/are THREE CO-ETERNAL PERSONS. To say there are three co-eternal persons, in effect negates the Incarnation sacrifice by which the humanity of Christ became another person, and was adopted into the Godhead of heaven as the SECOND PERSON of the Godhead. Such a teaching by implication sweeps away the entire Christian economy and renders the Sanctuary GONE; the Atonement GONE, just as the Alpha heresy did:

(D)         Joining Babylon’s Associations, Councils and Confederacies and then lying about it to the laity.

(E)           Forming a Celebration Movement after the order of Vatican II, with loud music, drums and lewdness.

(F)           Forming “cell groups” as advocated by Babylon.

(G)         Forming “spiritual formation” groups as advocated by Babylon.

(H)         Toleration of Women’s Ordination by some conferences. God made no mistake by appointing men as the priests of the family.

(I)              Performing abortions at Adventist medical facilities.

(J)             SDA Medical Institutions forming partnership with Non-Adventists which is strictly forbidden by the Spirit of Prophecy.

(K)         Holding the Divine Worship Service on Sunday in some SDA churches. Ellen White said this should not be done as it gives sanctity to Sunday. We can hold Evangelistic meetings, but not the Divine Worship Service.

(L)           Establishing coffee cafés at SDA colleges and universities, and drinking coffee in the churches, when Ellen White says coffee drinking is a sin. This is open sin apostasy.


·       I have never heard Walter Veith mention the typology of Christ, His disciples, Paul, and true reformers of every succeeding generation, and the TYPE of their response to apostasy, to wit:


"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.


Paul Left


"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.


"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.


Does Walter Veith fear that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with the SDA omega heresy opposers of the truth? If not, why not, when Christ and His disciples also had that fear, and separated their followers into home churches.


Home Churches


The first Christian home church was established at Antioch.


Act 13:1 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.


Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.


Phm 1:2 And to [our] beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the church in thy house:


1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.


Col 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.


1 Corinthians 14:26 describes an early church meeting, in which everyone present shared in providing hymns, instruction, revelation, tongues, or interpretation.


1Cr 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.


Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.


Act 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.


1Pe 5:13 The [church that is] at Babylon, elected together with [you], saluteth you; and [so doth] Marcus my son.


Rom 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:


Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the [epistle] from Laodicea.


1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:


The TYPOLOGY of Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha Heresy


When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what did they do and where did they meet for worship?


"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.


"Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108.


The above scenario is the prescribed mode for the worship service of every Seventh-day Adventist church in Testimonies, Vol. 7, pp. Notice:


 "There are times when it is fitting for our ministers to give on the Sabbath, in our churches, short discourses, full of the life and love of Christ. But the church members are not to expect a sermon every Sabbath....Let the church members, during the week, act their part faithfully, and on the Sabbath relate their experience. The meeting will then be as meat in due season, bringing to all present new life and fresh vigor.. When God's people see the great need of working as Christ worked for the conversion of sinners, the testimonies borne by them in the Sabbath service will be filled with power. With joy they will tell of the precious experience they have gained in working for others." Testimonies, Vol. 7, p. 19.


The Typology of Shiloh


Have you ever heard Walter Veith speak of the TYPOLOGY OF SHILOH?


Way back in Shiloh, the first civilization settlement of the Hebrews after coming out of the Sinai desert, some were worshiping amongst themselves because they thought it safer for their families, because of the recreant, corrupt priests at the formally organized church:


"The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881. 


Have you ever heard of Walter Veith speak of the TYPOLOGY of the True Reformers of every succeeding generation since Christ?


"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.


The Typology of  Leaving Those who are Working on Wrong Principles as Advocated by Ellen G. White 


"Even though you may not be able to speak a word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate with them. The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you listen to their devices makes you one with them. Come out from among them and be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p. 42. 


More of Walter Veith’s Misrepresentations of the Truth


·       Veith teaches that Laodicea is the final remnant church that goes through to the Kingdom. Ellen White says that all the seven messages (plural) to the churches apply in every age.

·       Veith teaches that Laodicea’s candlestick is not removed. That is a blatant lie, because there is no record that the ancient church of Laodicea ever repented, and if the state of the Laodicean church is the foolish virgin state as Ellen White says it is, then it’s candlestick is surely removed, because the foolish virgins are not saved. Some Laodiceans will repent, but then they are no longer lukewarm Laodiceans and foolish virgins. The following statements are true, or Ellen White would be a false prophet:

"The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E. G. White,  Review and Herald Articles,  Vol. 2, 420, 8/19/1890. 

"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst." E.G. White, Notebook Leaflets, p. 99, 1898.

"To the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.

“The Testimony for The Church—The Laodicean Church—What greater deception can come upon human minds than a confidence that they are right when they are ALL WRONG?”  Testimonies, Vol. 3, pp. 253, 254.


·       Ellen White says that Ezekiel 9 will BEGIN at HIS CHURCH, HIS SANCTUARY, THE HOUSE OF JACOB, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED WITH GREAT LIGHT. If that isn’t Laodicean’s candlestick being removed, what is it? Truth is, that Laodicea has become the cold apostate Synagogue of Satan, foolish virgins indeed! So Walter Veith is deceptively misrepresenting Laodicea.

·       Ellen White says that the Laodicean state is the foolish virgins state of the church and the foolish virgins are not saved. When one buys gold tried in the fire, one ceases to be Laodicean, and becomes one or a mixture of the other 7 churches of Revelation 2 and 3.

·       Isaiah 37:31, 32, says that a final remnant goes out of [Spiritual] Jerusalem at the end-time, just as a remnant went out of Jerusalem in the last literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 from A. D. 34-66, when all true Christians formed Home Churches until fleeing to Pella in A. D. 66, to avoid the Ezekiel 9 destruction of Jerusalem. Does Veith teach this Bible TYPOLOGY, which Ellen White refers to as a PREFIGURE in The Great Controversy, p. 25; a PREFIGURE TYPE of the perils of the last great day, BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, HIS CHURCH, 5T 211, which chapter begins on p. 207, quoting Ezekiel 9.

·       Veith cites the liberals and the so-called conservatives in the church as BOTH being in the wrong, and He is right! In the TYPOLOGY of Israel’s apostasy, both the Pharisee and the Sadducee types were wrong. But there was another element—THE TRUE REFORMERS IN THE PERSONS OF CHRIST, HIS DISCIPLES AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, THE CHRISTIANS, who separated from the apostate Jewish Temple organized church because of the apostasy. VEITH TOTALLY IGNORES THAT TYPOLOGY!

·       Veith cites the necessity of the order of organization, as though God’s church cannot function without an apostate church organization; AS THOUGH GOD IS STUCK WITH THAT ORGANIZATION AND NEEDS IT. Veith forgets the TYPOLOGY of Christ and the Disciples being Reformers who came out and separated themselves from the prevailing apostasy of the ORGANIZED TEMPLE CHURCH, and the ORDER in the Home Churches, by their having the presence of Christ as their leader.

·       Veith stresses that we must have no new movement EIGHTH CHURCH. Why is he so blind in not seeing that the apostate professing SDA Church is the culprit that formed a NEW MOVMENT “AMONG” itself, and Ellen White said: “God being removed,” it is led by man, and will fall. 1SM 204-205.

·       Walter Veith speaks of a “Gang Plank Scenario” whereby people are using a gang plank to jump ship. What Walter Veith will probably never tell you about is the Noble Ship that sinks to rise no more, to wit:


Is the Pilot on board the SDA New Movement, New Organization Ship described in Selected Messages, vol. 1, 204-5? Page 205 says He [God] has been removed!


#1: "I lately read of a NOBLE SHIP that was plowing its way across the sea, when at midnight, with a terrific crash, it struck upon a rock; the passengers were awakened only to see with horror their hopeless condition, and with the ship they sank to rise no more. The MAN AT THE HELM [VERSUS CHRIST] had mistaken the beacon light, and hundreds of souls were at a moment's warning launched into eternity." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 128.


Noble Ship #2: "There is no need to doubt, to be fearful that the work will not succeed. God is at the head of the work, and He will set everything in order. If matters need adjusting at the head of the work, God will attend to that, and work to right every wrong. Let us have faith that God is going to carry the noble ship which bears the people of God safely into port." E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 2, 390.

·       Walter Veith says that we cannot understand the Godhead issue and treats it as a side issue. There is much that we will be learning about the Godhead for eternity says Ellen White, but she also says that the personality of God and Christ are PILLAR, LANDMARK doctrines. Is Veith right that we cannot understand what Ellen White defined as PILLAR, LANDMARK DOCTRINE as regards the personality of God and Christ?


·       Walter Veith sloughs off all the abominations as being mere “side issues,” rather than sighing and crying for them. He says to lay aside all the abominations as side issues!


·       Walter Veith says that we are all pathetic Laodiceans which Ellen White defines as foolish virgins. Are there no wise virgins? Is there not a blameless bride?


·       Walter Veith speaks of the folly of the belief of the fallen churches in the non-immortality of the soul. He says that errant doctrine effectively wipes out Christianity, but he can’t seem to understand that the Trinity Doctrine does the same thing!


·       Walter Veith speaks of how SDA beliefs are not negotiable, and he is blind as to how pillar doctrines have been sold out, and the Trinity Doctrine sweeps away the entire Christian economy.


·       Veith speaks of the necessity of weeping between the porch and the altar, but fails to understand which porch and altar Christ and His followers wept between when as Protestants, they separated themselves from an apostate religion of forms and ceremonies. And this applies to all the True Reformers who left the churches of their fathers in every succeeding generation for one reason: THE ECCLESIASTICAL LEADERS WOULD NOT TOLERATE LIGHT. Will SDA leaders tolerate the light today?


·       Veith speaks of how Ellen White said that apostasy would arise in the church, as though it’s okay and we should tolerate it because she prophesied it would come. Prophets of the Old Testament prophesied that apostasy would come into the Jewish Temple, as well, and what was the TYPOLOGY of Christ’s response to it?


"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.


Walter Veith says that the correct response to the apostasy is to do as he does: Sit in the pew and read your Bible. Is that the TYPOLOGY of Christ’s response? Is that the TYPOLOGY of the response of True Reformer Christians in every succeeding generation?

What’s more, Walter Veith’s response to the apostasy in essence, is to buy a large bucket of glue and glue yourself to a pew at the apostate NEW MOVMENT SDA “church,” and just sit there and read your bible until the next literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9.


Now you are prepared to watch the interview between Walter Veith and Bruce Jenkins. In part 2, Jenkins admits that he hasn’t attended an SDA church for two years, because of the way he was treated by the church when his wife committed adultery on him. He is bitter and he left for all the wrong reasons, so Veith is able to triumph over his motives. Apparently, Bruce Jenkins is not aware of the real reasons we are to do as Christ did, and come out and separate from a religion of forms and ceremonies and gross open sin apostasy lest we be held corporately responsible for it.


Heart To Heart Interview with Walter J Veith and Bruce Jenkins PT1