The Worst Abomination
Ever Committed by Any Church
Hbr 9:16 For where a testament [is], there
must also of necessity be the death of
the testator. Hbr 9:17
For a testament [is] of force after men are
dead: otherwise it is of no
strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of
Christ, who through the [ONE] eternal Spirit offered
himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the
living God?
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The
Everlasting Covenant involved the Ten Commandment Law as given at Sinai. Ellen
White says that the Father and the Son, in unison, gave that law. That makes
the Son the Testator as well.
“Christ and the Father, standing side by side upon
the mount, with solemn majesty proclaimed the Ten Commandments..." E.G.
White, Evangelism, p. 616.
"In union with the Father, Christ proclaimed
the law amid the thunders of Sinai..." E.G. White, The Signs of the
Times, 11-12-94, pr. 07.
"The most fatal delusion of the Christian world in this generation
is, that in pouring contempt on the law of God they think they are exalting
Christ. What a position! It was Christ who spoke the law from Sinai. It was Christ who gave the
law to Moses, engraven on tables of stone. It was his Father's law; and Christ says, "I
and my Father are one." The Pharisees held the reverse of the modern
position, but were in just as great an error. They rejected Christ, but exalted
the law. And it makes little difference which position is taken, so long as we
ignore the true one,--that faith in Christ must be accompanied by obedience to
the law of God." {ST, September 4, 1884 par. 13}
The Everlasting Covenant made proviso Atonement for
the breach man made in God’s Law. The only one who could Atone for any breach
in that law had to be equal with the Father for the unison the Father and Son
gave the law in, signifies their equality. When Christ said He and the Father
were ONE, that meant they were equal and consisted of the same ONE eternal
Spirit.
The Everlasting Covenant demanded death of the
Testator, Christ, in atonement for man’s breach of the law. The death involved
must be eternal, for the wages of man’s unrepented for sin is eternal death.
The payment must equal the penalty and the penalty for man is not death for a
mere three days and nights in a tomb. The Testator must die to something
FOREVER, for while He should remain as before, the Testament (Covenant) is of
not strength whatsoever.
Hbr 9:16 For where a testament [is], there
must also of necessity be the death of the testator. Hbr 9:17
For a testament [is] of force after men are
dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
The Son of God, the equal to God Testator of
the Everlasting Covenant, must die to something eternally, or the Atonement
would be of no strength at all—NO ATONEMENT, NO SANCTUARY SERVICE in heaven.
What
the Son Agreed to Die to FOREVER
Since Divinity cannot die and the Son was
equal in divinity to the Father, being of the same essence, substance, namely
Spirit—the One eternal Spirit, the Son had to die to something FOREVER. What
the Son died to FOREVER was His DIVINE ONLY HOLY SPIRIT NATURE, he had before
His Incarnation.
At the Son’s Incarnation in the heavenly
Sanctuary, He divested Himself of the form of God. That form of God included
attributes that would be cumbered by His humanity. Those attributes included:
·
Omniscience (Jesus said only the Father knew the hour of His (Christ’s)
second coming).
·
Omnipresence (Jesus told His disciples He must return to the Father and send
His Holy Spirit because as He was when with them He could not be every place at
once).
·
Omnipotence (Jesus said that in His humanity He could do nothing without
the Father).
Proof of the Divestment; Why it Occurred and that Indeed it Did
Occur
"Cumbered
with humanity Christ could not be in every place personally, therefore it was
altogether for their advantage that He should leave them to go to His Father
and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of
humanity and independent thereof. He would
represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit.” E.G. White,
(Manuscript Releases Volume 14 (No’s 1081-1135) MR No.1084.
The
personality of the Son’s Holy Spirit prior to His Incarnation was cumbered by
His humanity at His Incarnation. Therefore, AT THE TIME OF THE INCARNATION, the
personality of His Divine Nature Holy Spirit, was divested from His humanity,
to become a third, distinct person. Prior to that point, the Holy Spirit of the
Son always existed in tandem (unison) with the Father and His SAME One Eternal
Holy Spirit which is the essence and substance of God, and which essence makes
all three persons to the Godhead ONE GOD, ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT.
Up
to the Incarnation there were only two persons to the Godhead:
1.
The Father and His
One Eternal Spirit
2.
The Son and His same
One Eternal Spirit.
If
there had been three persons before the Incarnation, there would not be four
persons to the Godhead:
1.
The Father and His
One Eternal Spirit.
2.
The Son and His same
One Eternal Spirit.
3.
The Holy Spirit and
His One Eternal Spirit
4.
Christ as combined
with humanity forever because Ellen White says Christ will retain His humanity
forever.
The
Trinity Doctrine teaches that all three persons to the Godhead, Father, Son and
Holy Spirit existed from eternity—AND BEFORE THE INCARNATION. If that is true,
then there are four persons to the Godhead per the above listing.
Therefore,
the Trinity Doctrine, as embraced by professing Seventh-day Adventists, is the worst
Abomination ever committed by any Christians who at one time knew the
truth as taught to them by their prophetess Ellen G. White. Why, because the
Trinity Doctrine negates the Incarnation Heavenly Sanctuary/Atonement Sacrifice
WHICH RESULTED IN THE THIRD DISTINCT PERSON AFTER THE SON DIVESTED THE SOUL OF
HIS LIVE, HIS DIVINE NATURE HOLY SPIRIT, from His humanity.
Ellen
White said the omega heresy would change pillar doctrines (1SM 204-205) and the
godhead and the personality of God and Christ is a pillar, landmark doctrine:
Personality of God and of
Christ Landmarks: "Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast they are not remembering how
they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would
remove the pillars of our faith
concerning the sanctuary or
concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men.
They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift
without an anchor." {MR760 9.5}
"You are not definitely
clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself." EGW letter 300 1903.
Kellogg was charged with
virtually destroying the Lord God Himself, because his pantheism invested every
living thing, including humans, with the Holy Spirit of God, FROM the beginning
of creation. That teaching effectually renders the heavenly Sanctuary/Atonement
as GONE, because it teaches that the holy Spirit was indwelling every created
thing BEFORE the Sanctuary Service (Atonement) that made such possible as
regards man—and not every living thing.
"In a representation
which passed before me, I saw a certain work being done by medical missionary
workers. Our ministering brethren were looking on, watching what was being
done, but they did not seem to understand. The foundation of our faith, which
was established by so much prayer, such earnest searching of the Scriptures,
was being taken down, pillar by pillar. Our faith was to have nothing to rest
upon--the sanctuary was gone, the
atonement was gone." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152.
The Holy Spirit does not pervade (indwell)
everything (pantheism), but it was available to indwell humans AFTER THE
INCARNATION SACRIFICE as the cure for sin.
Anything that renders the
heavenly Sanctuary/Atonement Service as GONE, effectually destroys the Lord God
Himself, and destroys the entire Christian economy because it was that
Sanctuary Service that provided the Atonement for man’s sin and repaired the
breach in God’s law. This was/is the only hope for Christians. Anything that
negates that Service is as antichrist as it can get, and wipes the entire
Christian economy.
"The
spiritualistic theories regarding the personality of God [the Godhead],
followed to their logical conclusion, sweep away the whole Christian economy. They estimate as nothing the light that Christ came
from heaven to give John to give to His people. They teach that the scenes just
before us are not of sufficient importance to be given special attention. They
make of no effect the truth of heavenly origin, and rob the people of God of
their past experience, giving them instead a false science." E.G. White,
1SM, p. 204.
The
Trinity Doctrine is nothing more than a spiritualistic theory of man, which if
followed to its logical conclusion, negates the heavenly Sanctuary/Atonement Incarnation
Service (The FOREVER Sacrifice—Testator’s Covenant—Testament), by saying that
the Holy Spirit always existed as a THIRD DISTINCT PERSON. There is no greater
abomination. There is no greater antichrist teaching. Nothing is more
destruction to the entire Christian economy—belief system.
If
the third person Holy Spirit existed eternally, AS A THIRD DISTINCT PERSON,
that totally annihilates the heavenly Incarnation sacrifice (divestment) that
rendered the THIRD PERSON as being a distinct person from Christ’s humanity.
That THIRD PERSON was THEN the Holy Ghost, and that is why the words “Holy
Ghost” do not appear in Scripture until the New Testament, namely, Matthew
1:18.
Mat
1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
The
Holy Ghost is the pre-Incarnation soul of the life of Christ:
"Christ
declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning
gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the
soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the
world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that
takes away sin.
In
the gift of the Spirit, Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could
bestow....
The
Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of
Christ would have been of no avail....
It
is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer
becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a
divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and
to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19,
1904, vol. 5, p. 42.
Jesus
promised to send the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, and Ellen White defines that
Comforter as the soul of the life of Christ.
Eternal Sacrifice
of the Son’s Existence as SOLELY The Divine Nature Holy Spirit, the soul of the
Life of Christ
"The apostle would call our attention from
ourselves to the Author of our salvation. He presents before us His two
natures, divine and human. . . . He voluntarily assumed human nature. It was
His own act, and by His own consent. He clothed His divinity with humanity. He
was all the while as God, but He did not appear as God. He veiled the
demonstrations of Deity which had commanded the homage, and called forth the
admiration of the universe of God. He was God while upon earth, but He divested Himself of the form of
God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of a man. He walked the
earth as a man. For our sakes He became poor, that we through His poverty might
be made rich. He laid aside His glory and His majesty. He was God, but the glories of the form of God He for
awhile relinquished. . . . He bore the sins of the world, and endured the
penalty which rolled like a mountain upon His divine soul. He yielded up His
life a sacrifice, that man should not eternally die. He died, not through being
compelled to die, but by His own free will." E.G. White, SDA Bible
Commentary, Vol. 7a, p. 446.
It is a mistake for some to conclude that “the
glories” of the form of God, mean His reinstated position before His
Incarnation. That would mean that Christ would have to return to His Divine
ONLY state of being, and no longer be cumbered with humanity. In other words He
would no longer be human. That would contradict Ellen White’s statement that He
became combined with humanity forever. The glories of the form of God for
awhile He relinquished related to:
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glo·ry
Great
honor, praise, or distinction accorded by common consent; renown. Something
conferring honor or renown. A
highly praiseworthy asset: Your wit is your crowning glory. Adoration,
praise, and thanksgiving offered in worship. Majestic
beauty and splendor; resplendence: The sun set in a blaze of glory. The
splendor and bliss of heaven; perfect happiness. A
height of achievement, enjoyment, or prosperity: ancient Rome in its
greatest glory. A
halo, nimbus, or aureole. Also called gloriole. intr.v.
glo·ried, glo·ry·ing, glo·ries |
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The use of glory to the Lord in Luke 2:9 9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
Number
1391
Transliteration:
doxa
{dox'-ah}
Word Origin:
from
the base of 1380
TDNT:
2:233,178
Part of Speech:
noun
feminine
Usage in the KJV:
glory
145, glorious 10, honour 6, praise 4, dignity 2, worship 1
Total: 168
Definition:
opinion,
judgment, view
opinion,
estimate, whether good or bad concerning someone
in
the NT always a good opinion concerning one, resulting in praise, honour, and
glory
splendour,
brightness
of
the moon, sun, stars
magnificence,
excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace
majesty
a
thing belonging to God
the
kingly majesty which belongs to Him as supreme ruler, majesty in the sense of
the absolute perfection of the deity
There
is an acquaintance of mine who claims that he believes what I teach on the
Godhead, but then claims that one must be a member of the Adventist new
movement that removed God and embraced the most antichrist doctrine known to
man, in order to be sealed. Figure that one out!
Do you think the SDA New Movement, 1SM, 204, 205, which is not true SDA at all, will change its adoption of the Trinity Doctrine? Ellen White says in that same reference that “Nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. She says elsewhere that the omega (which has changed pillar doctrine eg: the Godhead) will wax stronger until Jesus comes, to wit:
Wax stronger "One thing
it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing
and increasing and waxing stronger, and
will continue to do so until the Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to
hold fast the first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from
strength to increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been
substantiated by the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our
experience until the present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more
earnest, unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the
manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning,
after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the
confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving
heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any
languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies,
Series B, No. 7, p. 57).
"The enemy
will set everything in operation to uproot the confidence of the believers in
the pillars of our faith in the messages of the past, which have placed us upon
the elevated platform of eternal truth, and which have established and given
character to the work. The Lord God of Israel has led out His people, unfolding
to them truth of heavenly origin." "The truth for this time is
precious, but those whose hearts have not been broken by falling on the Rock
Christ Jesus, will not see and understand what is truth. They will accept that
which pleases their ideas, and will begin to manufacture another foundation
than that which is laid. They will flatter their own vanity and esteem, thinking that they are capable of removing
the pillars of our faith, and replacing them with pillars they have devised. This
will continue
to be as long as time shall last." Notebook, Leaflets, pp. 61-62.
Is this worst of all abominations the reason why
Ellen White said: Worse than Babylon --
"God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They are idolaters,
and are worse,
in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image worshippers who have had no
knowledge of a better way." Testimonies,
Vol. 2, 440-442.
Are you corporately
responsible for being a member of and financing a new movement that has
committed the worst abomination ever; the worst abomination possible?
"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.
“The
children were not condemned for the sins of the parents; but when, with a knowledge of all the light given to
their parents, the children rejected the additional light granted to
themselves, they became partakers of the parents' sins, and filled up the
measure of their iniquity.” The Great Controversy, p. 28.
Mat
23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed
upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias
son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
“In
our largest churches the greatest evils exist, because these have had the
greatest light. They have not a true knowledge of God, and of Jesus Christ
whom he has sent. The leaven of unbelief is working, and unless these evils
which bring the displeasure of God are corrected in its members, the whole church stands accountable for
them. The deep movings of the Spirit of God are not with them; the
glorious presence of the King of saints, and his power to cleanse from all
moral defilement, are not manifest among them. Many come to the assembly as
worshipers, like the door upon its hinges. They understand not the true
application of the Scriptures, nor the power of God. They have eyes, but they
see not; ears have they, but they hear not; they continue in their evil ways,
yet regard themselves as the privileged, obedient people who are doers of the
word. A carnal security and ease in Zion prevail. Peace, peace, is sounded in
her borders, when God has not spoken peace. They have forfeited the terms of
peace; there is reason for an alarm to be sounded in all "my holy
mountain." The sinners in Zion should be afraid, in a time when they do
not expect it, sudden destruction will surely come upon all who are at ease.”
{RH, December 23, 1890 par. 10}
If I
joined the church of Satan in San Francisco, would I be corporately responsible
for what it teaches? Pray about it!
"We should never give sanction to sin by our
words, our deeds, our silence or our presence." Desire of Ages,
152.
In principle, would that include our membership and
financial support as well? Better pray about that too!
—rwb
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
Beaulieu
To: mateus
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: help
Dear Matthew,
"Christ declared that after his ascension,
he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy
Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life
of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a
power that takes away sin.
In the gift of the Spirit, Jesus gave to man
the highest good that heaven could bestow....
The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency,
and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail....
It is by the Spirit that the heart is made
pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature.
Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and
cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the
church." E.G. White, Review and
Herald Articles, May 19, 1904, vol. 5, p. 42.
If the Holy Spirit, THE COMFORTER, is the
soul of His (Christ's) life, that is a very close union considering there are
three distinct persons to the Godhead. That close union means that the Holy
Ghost (first mentioned in Matthew) is the ghost of His pre-Incarnation state of
being as DIVINE HOLY SPIRIT ONLY. Then when He was Incarnated, He had to divest
Himself of that DIVINE ONLY state of being, because His humanity cumbered that
Holy Spirit.
“Cumbered with
humanity Christ could not be in every place personally,
therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them to go
to His Father and send the Holy Spirit [THE COMFORTER--THE SOUL OF
HIS PRE-INCARNATED LIFE] to be His successor on
earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality
of humanity and independent thereof. He
would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit.” E.G.
White, (Manuscript Releases Volume 14 (No’s 1081-1135) MR
No.1084.
"The
apostle would call our attention from ourselves to the Author of our salvation.
He presents before us His two natures, divine and human. . . . He voluntarily
assumed human nature. It was His own act, and by His own consent. He clothed
His divinity with humanity. He was all the while as God, but He did not appear
as God. He veiled the demonstrations of Deity which had commanded the homage,
and called forth the admiration of the universe of God. He was God while upon
earth, but He divested
Himself of the form of God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of a
man. He walked the earth as a man. For our sakes He became poor, that we
through His poverty might be made rich. He laid aside His glory and His
majesty. He was God, but the glories of
the form of God He for awhile relinquished. . . . He bore the sins of the
world, and endured the penalty which rolled like a mountain upon His divine
soul. He yielded up His life a sacrifice, that man should not eternally die. He
died, not through being compelled to die, but by His own free will." E.G.
White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7a, p. 446.
Note:
HIS FORM AS GOD WAS HIS PRE-INCARNATION STATE OF BEING AS HIS HOLY SPIRIT
DIVINE (ONLY) NATURE, VS. HIS COMBINATION WITH HUMANITY AT HIS INCARNATION
WHICH CUMBERED THAT DIVINE ONLY NATURE.
Christ's pre-Incarnation
Holy Spirit is HIMSELF divested of Christ's personality in His
humanity. When HIS HOLY SPIRIT was divested at the Incarnation
because His humanity cumbered His Holy Spirit DIVINE ONLY NATURE, it became a
THIRD DISTINCT PERSON. Up to that time, the Holy Spirit existed as the ONE
ETERNAL SPIRIT, common both to the Father and the Son. There were two distinct
persons until the Incarnation. At the Incarnation THREE PERSONS ACCRUED:
1.
The Father and His share of the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT.
2.
The Holy GHOST which was the PRE-INCARNATION state of
the Son of God, constituting His share of the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT.
3.
Jesus as combined with humanity forever. FULLY DIVINE
AND FULLY HUMAN SAYS ELLEN WHITE. How He was fully human and fully divine being
divested from His former soul of His life Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, is a
mystery.
"The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die,
is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon
trembling souls. He [Satan] has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who
reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, "This is the way, walk
ye in it." Christ has all power in heaven and in earth, and he can
strengthen the wavering, and set right the erring. He can inspire with
confidence, with hope in God; and confidence in God always results in creating
confidence in one another [E.G. White, Review and Herald, August 26,
1890].
How is Jesus both a third person and the Comforter
the Holy Spirit as a distinct THIRD PERSON as Ellen White says there
are three distinct persons?
1.
God is a Spirit: Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship
him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
2.
Jesus
is God.
3.
There
are three distinct persons. (1) God the Father; (2) God the Holy Spirit (former
Divine ONLY LIFE OF THE Son); (3) Jesus as God combined with humanity FOREVER says Ellen G. White. All three have the same
essence, substance--the one eternal spirit.
4.
All
three come to us: John 14. (KJV) They all come to us because they are of the
SAME ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT
5.
The
words THE ETERNAL SPIRIT in the following verse means ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT:
Hbr 9:14 How much
more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal
Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your
conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
6. The word
THE eternal Spirit means ONE ETERNAL Spirit.
7. So it
follows that three distinct persons of the Godhead share the SAME ONE ETERNAL
SPIRIT.
8. The Holy GHOST
(PRE INCARNATION LIFE OF CHRIST) is the essence of the former, pre-Incarnation
life of Christ. He divested Himself of that Spirit at His Incarnation in the
heavenly Sanctuary, because that Spirit was cumbered by His humanity.
One Spirit Eternal
Spirit
Hbr 9:14 How much
more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself
without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living
God?
Jhn
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that
worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
“They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit—the
Spirit of Christ” (9T p. 289)
“Now the Lord is the
Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is; there is Liberty.” (2 Cor. 3:17)
“For as the Father
hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.”
John 5:26.
"He (Christ)
suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which WAS
His." Desire of Ages, p. 25 1 Cor. 11:24-265, cf. John 6:53, 54,
Titus 3:5, 6.
You will find ALL
THREE PERSONS TO THE GODHEAD IN JOHN 14. I will highlight them in red.
John 14 (King James Version)
John 14
1Let not your heart be troubled:
ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2In my Father's house are many
mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for
you.
3And if I go and prepare a place
for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there
ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and
the way ye know.
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we
know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way,
the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father
also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord,
show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou
not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest
thou then, Show us the Father?
[The above close resemblance is due to posessing the same essence, substance--ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT
THAT EQUALS GOD].
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father
that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12Verily, verily, I say unto
you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater
works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13And whatsoever ye shall ask in
my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14If ye shall ask any thing in
my name, I will do it.
15If ye love me, keep my
commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot
receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you. [Jesus speaking].
19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but
ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. [Jesus speaking].
21He that hath my commandments,
and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved
of my Father, and I will love him, and will
manifest myself to him.
22Judas saith unto him, not
Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto
the world?
23Jesus answered and said unto
him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto
him, and make our abode with
him.
When Jesus says WE WILL COME UNTO HIM (TO THOSE WHO
LOVES JESUS), HE MEANS ALL THREE--HIMSELF, THE COMFORTER (WHICH IS HIS
PRE-INCARNATED SELF) AND THE FATHER. If one comes they all must come to us
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL OF THE SAME ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT THAT CONSTITUTES GOD.
24He that loveth me not keepeth
not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which
sent me.
25These things have I spoken
unto you, being yet present with you.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring
all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27Peace I leave with you, my
peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your
heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28Ye have heard how I said unto
you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice,
because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29And now I have told you before
it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30Hereafter I will not talk much
with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
31But that the world may know
that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do.
Arise, let us go hence.
I
hope this helps Matthew. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask,
All
His blessings,
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: mateus
To: 'Ron Beaulieu'
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: help
Brother Ron,
I need your help, preached a sermon in the Church that attend and mentioned
that Jesus and the spirit is the same person, used this text of Sister White to
confirm what waspreaching:Prevented "by mankind,
Christ could not be everywhere personallythen it was
to their advantage (the disciples) that he should let them go to and father,
send the Holy Spirit to be his successor on Earth. The Holy Spiritis He even
stripped of humanity's personality and independent from it. " Manuscript
Releases Volume Fourteen, Page 23 and 24.
Today newsletter wrote the following message and sent to all members of the
Church.
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Christ and the Holy Spirit are the
same person? |
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It was just what was missing. Nunes said that
the Holy Spirit and Jesus "are the same person" and the worst:
"based" in the writings of Ellen White. I don't know what is
happening at the head of a person to say such a thing. Only God can explain. "Interesting" is that in another comment
he stated that "the father and son share the same spirit", i.e.
"have" a spirit (as if God were human ...) After all: the Holy
Spirit is an impersonal "spirit of God and of Christ" or
"Christ"? Nunes has to decide with which of the
theories is. (Recommend not stay with any of them) The dissidents are not
contradictory for evil. I see many people sincere in seeking answers to their internal conflicts.
The devil, as is Wuss, blind person so that she
does not see that has two totally different theories about the third person
of the Trinity and that it will lead to eternal perdition case don't change. However, this blog will help such people, if they wish. I believe that
God can liberate them from the darkness. Some biblical texts are sufficient
to lead Nunes to reflect and to abandon once (if
desired) such horrific education. If Jesus and the spirit are the same
person: 1) It was Christ who drove himself in the wilderness of temptation? – Mt 4:
1-2) Was the very Christ who descended on your own shoulder on the occasion
of baptism? – Mt 3: 13-17 (Barbarity, which we reach ...) 3) the father sent
Christ on behalf of Christ himself? – Jo 14: 26 on the basis of these texts
and in John 10: 30 we understand the quote from Ellen White on Manuscript
Releases, p.p. 23, 24. Let's read the text first: "I and the father are
one." The fact that Jesus said that He and the father are one means that the
father and the son "are the same person"? No! Christ only used a
force of expression to highlight the drive that exists between him and the
father. Similarly, when Ellen White wrote on Manuscript Releases that "the
Holy Spirit is himself [Jesus]" she also is using an expression to
highlight the drive that is there between Christ and the Holy Spirit. Evidence found at the author who claims to be the Holy Spirit being
distinct from Christ: See now this biblical text that gives a fatal blow in the theory of
dissenters: "Listening to them this displeased him in your heart and rilhavam teeth against him. But Stephen, full of the Holy
Spirit, looked toward the eyes in the sky and saw the glory of God and Jesus,
who was on his right, and said: Behold, I see the heavens opened and the son
of man standing at the right hand of God. " (At 7: 54-56) Here the Holy Spirit is clearly distinct from Christ himself. The spirit
is with Stephen while Jesus is next to God the father! If Christ is the same spirit, here's how would the formula font Matthew
28: 19 (which arguably is in the original Greek): "Go therefore and make disciples of all Nations, baptizing them in
the name of the father and the son, and on behalf of a child again" Can a person who studies the Bible and fear God continue believing in the
heresy that Christ and the spirit are not separate people? "The time has not operated any change in the promise given by Christ
to depart, promise to send the Holy Spirit as Your representative" (acts
of the Apostles, p. 50). Ellen White says that the spirit is the
representative of Christ and not "Jesus!" After all, as someone could
"be representative of yourself" |
I need your help to make a rebuttal against such heresy,
Please help me.
Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with everyone.
Abrs.
Matthew