Ellen White's Meaning of the General Destruction of the Wicked--When and Where it Begins

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Dear Reader,

Ellen White reapplies Matthew 22:1-10, in Sermon’s and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9. There can be no doubt that Matthew 22:7 is the same event as Ezekiel 9:6. According to Matthew 22:1-10, the murderous city, modern day spiritual Jerusalem, is destroyed BEFORE the final loud cry call to the world. This has altered my thinking on the time Ezekiel 9 is literally fulfilled as pertaining to the apostate new movement SDA church.

Here are the Ellen White quotes some new movement SDA’s are using in an effort to prove that Ezekiel 9 does not begin until the GEENRAL DESTRUCTION of the world as though all the world was being destroyed at the same time. They believe that the future type from the prefigure DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM in A. D. 70, the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9, per Ellen White, places at the time of the "general destruction" of the wicked. That is correct if one understands the proper concept of the general destruction of the wicked and when it actually begins. For that understanding we will begin with Matthew 24:14-22:

 

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

 

Ellen White is referring to Matthew 24:14-18 in the following statement which some new movement SDA’s are using to say the church will not be destroyed until the very same time the world is going down to destruction:

 

"Throughout the land of Judea, as well as in Jerusalem itself, the signal for flight must be immediately obeyed. He who chanced to be upon the housetop must not go down into his house, even to save his most valued treasures. Those who were working in the fields or vineyards must not take time to return for the outer garment laid aside while they should be toiling in the heat of the day. They must not hesitate a moment, lest they be involved in the general destruction.  {GC 25.4}

 

It is important to note that Ellen White refers to the local destruction of Jerusalem as the “general destruction.” Is is more important to note that Ellen White is saying that Matthew 24:14-22, which she equates in 5T 451 and 464 with THE NATIONAL SUDAY LAW, is an action that BEGINS the collective “general destruction” of the world and its wicked, including the wicked at the new movement SDA Sanctuary. It is yet even more important to be aware that this collective beginning of the general destruction of the world, ensuing at the initial enactment of the National Sunday Law, does not involve the world in immediate destruction, but it certainly begins on the trek of destruction. It is yet more important to note that the collective destruction of the world, beginning at the time of the National Sunday law enactment, BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY, the House of Jacob, those who have been privileged with great light:

 

Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together.” {5T 211.2}

 

Now we have the proper basis for correctly interpreting and understanding the following statements used by those who want to maintain that the Ezekiel 9 slaughter is one big general destruction at the very end—after the plagues. There is a “general destruction” in each of the following contexts:

 

·       The overall beginning of the collective General Destruction that begins with Matthew 24:14-22.

·       The beginnins of the more local general destruction BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY. Ezekiel 9:6; Matthew 22:7, and 5T 211.

·       The manifestation of Ezekiel 9 on Babylon. GC 653.

·       The manifestation of Ezekiel 9 on the world.

·       The end of the General overall destruction after the plagues, per GC, 656. Oh yes, it does say begin at My Sanctuary, but this now refers to fallen Babylon vis a vis p. 653, where it says:

 

“Such are the judgments that fall upon Babylon in the day of the visitation of God’s wrath.” GC, 653. (Last paragraph). Most SDA’s miss this singular but very important distinction.

 

The scenario is as follows:

 

·       Babylon attacks the SDA church on day 1290 after the initial legislation of the Sunday law. It will not be enforced until then. On day 1260, there will be a 30 day warning period. That is the difference between the 1260 days of Rev. 13:1-5, which occurs AFTER the wound is healed (IN CONTEXT), and the 1290 of Daniel 12:11. There will be many martyrs for the next 45 days to the 1335, and then the Loud Cry will go forth in the power of the Holy Spirit.

·       Ellen White says that there will be many martyrs as seed for fruit, and there are no martyrs until the Sunday Law is enforced and it will not be enforced initially.

·       Ezekiel 9 will be manifest at SDA Sanctuaries around the world at the same time the martyrs occur. This will fulfill Matthew 22:6, where many of God’s servants will be treated spitefully and slain.

·       The Babylonians will be infuriated with the SDA church because she tries to keep going by instructing her members to keep Sunday sacred and take the mark which she has preached against since 1844.

 

"The Lord has a controversy with His professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah.  They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition.  In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week.  There are calamities on sea and land: and these calamities will increase, one disaster following close upon another; and the little band of conscientious Sabbath-keepers will be pointed out as the ones who are bringing the wrath of God upon the world by their disregard of Sunday."  R & H 3-18-1884.

·       The little band of Sabbath-keepers ARE NOT MEMBERS of the church for if they were, they would be doing after the manner of the world because that is what Ellen White says the MEMBERS will be doing at the time when the danger and depression to the church is greatest:

·       "The leaven if godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But MORE ESPECIALLY will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because ITS MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the world." Testimonies, Vol. 5, 209, 210.

 

·       The time frames are better explained in this document: http://omega77.tripod.com/daniel8daniel12.htm

 

 

"Unless they repent, and leave the work of Satan in oppressing those who have the burden of the work and in holding up the hands of sinners in Zion, they will never receive the mark of God's sealing approval. They will fall in the general destruction of the wicked, represented by the work of the five men bearing slaughter weapons. 3T 267  {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 2}

 

The collective general destruction of the wicked begins at His Sanctuary BEFORE the final call to the world, Matthew 22:1-10, which verses Ellen White reapplies to our time.

 

"But the general slaughter of all those who do not thus see the wide contrast between sin and righteousness, and do not feel as those do who stand in the counsel of God and receive the mark, is described in the order to the five men with slaughter weapons: " 3T 267.

 

Always remember when and when the collective general destruction begins—BEFORE the call to the world, Matthew 22:1-10.

 

"The tears which Christ shed upon Olivet as He stood overlooking the chosen city were not for Jerusalem alone. In the fate of Jerusalem He beheld the destruction of the world.  {COL 302.3}

 

But BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY before the final call to the world.

 

"So Christ's disciples were given warning of the destruction of Jerusalem. Those who watched for the sign of the coming ruin, and fled from the city, escaped the destruction. So now we are given warning of Christ's second coming and of the destruction to fall upon the world. Those who heed the warning will be saved.  {DA 634.1}

 

New movement Adventists love to apply Ezekiel 9 only to the world and/or as occurring at the same time the world is going down! Somehow, that seems to ease the pain of their prophesied doom!

 

"From the fall of Jerusalem the thoughts of Jesus passed to a wider judgment. In the destruction of the impenitent city He saw a symbol of the final destruction to come upon the world. DA 743.

 

Beginning at His Sanctuary, 5T 211.

 

Jesus, looking down to the last generation, saw the world involved in a deception similar to that which caused the destruction of
Jerusalem. The great sin of the Jews was their rejection of Christ; the great sin of the Christian world would be their rejection of the law of God, the foundation of his government in Heaven and earth.  GC 23.

 

Matthew 24:14-22, certainly portends a world involved in deception and imminent destruction.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monda----- Original Message -----

From: Ulicia

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:44 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW]y, May 12, 2008 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Re: (Response to Lynn)

 

Ulicia,

 

My comments are under your responses to Lynn MacDonald.


 

--- In DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn MacDonald" <lynn2852@... wrote:

 Yes -- They truly are still stubborn. Unfortunately it will cost them their lives if they do not open their eyes to see the terrible apostasy which leads to it's sad destruction!!!--Lynn

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--- In DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn MacDonald" <lynn2852@ wrote:
  
    Ulicia-- We know about the Great Controversy mention of Ez.9.But this is not the only place she talks of it. Mrs.White talks of the "weight of evidence" theory so nothing contradicts. You do not mention how Mrs.White tells us to study Ez9 and that it will be literally fulfilled in “Letter 106-1909."

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Ulicia responds:
I have mentioned just about every place where EGW speaks of Ez. 9
Nor do I deny a literal fulfilment.  It is in GC 656 and that is not just speaking of the WORLDLING but of CHRISTIAN LEADERS.   That's when those Adventist who followed false leaders out of the Seventh-day Adventist church into the Sunday Adventist ecumenical establishment will turn on those leaders in utter despair and passion.   It will also be other Christians who lead people in the ecumenical Sunday worship who will be part of it.

 

Ron responds: Ulicia, You do indeed deny a literal fulfillment. You have denied many aspects of how Ezekiel 9 was fulfilled anciently, saying that it did not include all Jewish synagogues and other towns etc. You always go to GC 656, for the second part of the TWOFOLD fulfillment. You deny the first part of that TWOFOLD fulfillment BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, 5T 211. Why do you do that?

 

Lynn writes:
This is why I say you are dishonest!! You do not present the weight of evidence so nothing contradicts, the way Ron has always presented truth. You can't compete at all.
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Ulicia writes:
That is your opinion.  What do you know of my weight of evidence?  I work all day, and have responsibilities after work.  I can't sit here and go through all the thousands of pages of Ron's work and answer everything, or type up page after page dealing with every bite of evidence.     I can only hope to present a little to show the contradictions in his work and hope people will see his errors.

 

Ron responds: You pay your leaders tithe to know all the evidence. Your husband is paid by the sacred tithe and he should be able to inform you of all the evidence just as I inform Lynn of all the evidence.

 

I do know ONE THING.  I've read the Bible and I’ve read EGW's writings and I know Ron is contradicting her and preaching what she specifically said NOT to preach,  he is not presenting the final message correctly.  His is false torch of prophecy we were warned about.

 

Ron responds: The reason what you say is patently false is because I go strictly by the PREFIGURE of A.D. 27-70, and according to the fulfillment of Matthew 22:1-10, which Ellen White reapplies.

 

Here's just a few quotes showing that both the
future type from the DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM in A.D.70
and the future fulfillment of Ez. 9 EGW places at the time of the "general destruction" of the wicked.

 

"Throughout the land of Judea, as well as in Jerusalem itself, the signal for flight must be immediately obeyed. He who chanced to be upon the housetop must not go down into his house, even to save his most valued treasures. Those who were working in the fields or vineyards must not take time to return for the outer garment laid aside while they should be toiling in the heat of the day. They must not hesitate a moment, lest they be involved in the general destruction.  {GC 25.4}

 

Ron's response: A number of points:

1.    Ulicia could not have made my point easier than by citing the above GC, p. 25 statement. Ellen White is referring to Matthew 24:15, 16. The end-time fulfillment of this BEGINS at the time of the National Sunday Law. That IS NOT the time of general destruction of the world at the end-time, BUT IT CERTAINLY BEGINS THE TIME OF THE COLLECTIVE GENERAL DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD!  But FIRST it was the general destruction of the wicked in the apostate church BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY. This is crucial to a correct understanding of Ellen White's 3T 267 statement.

2.    The fulfillment of Matthew 24:15, 16, begins the collective general destruction of the world! Those verses apply to all Christians and all who do not obey those instructions will perish!

3.    Nor was Ellen White referring to the general destruction of the world in A.D. 70! She was referring to the general destruction involving the destruction BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, which indeed did begin with the Temple and proceed to the city proper.

4.    The SDA Bible Commentary says: "Fighting Among the Jews.--As the Romans left one devastated town after another behind them, groups of marauders moved in and carried on minor civil conflicts." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, p. 76.

5.    "The Subjugation of Galilee.--Vespasian established his headquarters at Ptolemais, on the coast of north Mt. Carmel....This location at Ptolemais put Vespasian in a position to attack Galilee....The army of Josephus melted before the Romans, who, as they advanced, destroyed EVERYTHING as a warning against further revolt." ibid. p. 75. And it goes on to tell all the town that were slaughtered--40,000 Jews in the town of Jotapata!

 

"Unless they repent, and leave the work of Satan in oppressing those who have the burden of the work and in holding up the hands of sinners in Zion, they will never receive the mark of God's sealing approval. They will fall in the general destruction of the wicked, represented by the work of the five men bearing slaughter weapons. 3T 267  {RH, June 8, 1886 par. 2}

 

Ron responds: I repeat for crucial emphasis:

"Throughout the land of Judea, as well as in Jerusalem itself, the signal for flight must be immediately obeyed. He who chanced to be upon the housetop must not go down into his house, even to save his most valued treasures. Those who were working in the fields or vineyards must not take time to return for the outer garment laid aside while they should be toiling in the heat of the day. They must not hesitate a moment, lest they be involved in the general destruction.  {GC 25.4}

 

Ron's response: A number of points:

 

Ellen White is referring to Matthew 24:15, 16. The end-time fulfillment of this is at the time of the National Sunday Law. That IS NOT the time of general destruction of the world at the end-time. But it was the general destruction of the wicked in the apostate church BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY. This is crucial to a correct understanding of Ellen White's 3T 267 statement.

 

"But the general slaughter of all those who do not thus see the wide contrast between sin and righteousness, and do not feel as those do who stand in the counsel of God and receive the mark, is described in the order to the five men with slaughter weapons: " 3T 267.

 

Ron responds: There will be a general slaughter of wicked SDA's BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY 3 1/2 years AFTER the initial enactment of the National Sunday Law. But just as Ellen White spoke of a general destruction of the wicked at the Temple, Jerusalem and surrounding areas, this is a general destruction local to SDA's, His Sanctuary--the general destruction of her WICKED. This begins the general destruction of the world 3 1/2 years later, but it all begins at His Sanctuary. It cannot all happen at once as Ulicia misinterprets because the Babylonians are the destroyers! If all were going down together AT THE SAME TIME in that sense of a general destruction, the Babylonians would not be destroying BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, for they would be going down in destruction at the same time!

 

"The tears which Christ shed upon Olivet as He stood overlooking the chosen city were not for Jerusalem alone. In the fate of Jerusalem He beheld the destruction of the world.  {COL 302.3}

 

Ron responds: THE GENERAL DESTRUCTION ACTUALLY BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY, 3 1/2 YEARS BEFORE THE FINAL DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD BUT ALL THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE GENERAL DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD.

 

"So Christ's disciples were given warning of the destruction of Jerusalem. Those who watched for the sign of the coming ruin, and fled from the city, escaped the destruction. So now we are given warning of Christ's second coming and of the destruction to fall upon the world. Those who heed the warning will be saved.  {DA 634.1}

 

Ron responds: WHICH DESTRUCTION BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY, and continues until all the world is destroyed. This is collectively the general destruction of the wicked.

 

"From the fall of Jerusalem the thoughts of Jesus passed to a wider judgment. In the destruction of the impenitent city He saw a symbol of the final destruction to come upon the world. DA 743

 

Ron responds: Again, the general destruction of the wicked occurs at the end of the world. IT BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY and end's with the world. It is TWOFOLD, not ONEFOLD!

 

Jesus, looking down to the last generation, saw the world involved in a deception similar to that which caused the destruction of Jerusalem. The great sin of the Jews was their rejection of Christ; the great sin of the Christian world would be their rejection of the law of God, the foundation of his government in Heaven and earth.  GC 23

 

Ron responds: General Destruction is TWOFOLD:

 

“The future was mercifully veiled from the disciples. Had they at that time fully comprehend the two awful facts--the Redeemer's sufferings and death, and the destruction of their city and temple--they would have been overwhelmed with horror. Christ presented before them an outline of the prominent events to take place before the close of time. His words were not then fully understood; but their meaning was to be unfolded as His people should need the instruction therein given. The prophecy which He uttered was twofold in its meaning; while foreshadowing the destruction of Jerusalem, it prefigured also the terrors of the last great day.” The Great Controversy, p. 25.

 

Where does the COLLECTIVE General Destruction of the Wicked at the end-time begin? This is a very important piece of the weight of evidence that must be factored in to the equation. The very courts of the Temple could not be scenes of slaughter unless the church keeps going after the Sunday law! It does! That is why it all BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY--BUT, 3 1/2 years BEFORE the world is destroyed, for it COLLECTIVELY BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY:

 

"In the very courts of the temple, scenes will be enacted that few realize. God's people will be proved and tested, that He may discern 'between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.' Vengeance will be executed against those who sit in the gate, deciding what the people should have and what they should not have. These take away the key of knowledge. They refuse to enter in themselves, and those who would enter in they hinder. These bear not the seal of the living God. All who now occupy responsible positions should be solemnly and terribly afraid lest in this time they shall be found as unfaithful stewards." E.G. White, Manuscript 15, 1886, Paulson Collection, p. 55.

 

This is hugely important and teaching. Take special notice of these words:

 

1.    In the very courts of the temple scenes will be enacted that few realize. (The church is involved, not just individuals).

2.    God's wrath in vengeance will be executed IN THE VERY COURTS OF THE TEMPLE, against those who sit in the gate at Washington, deciding what you and I should have and what we should not have. God gave it to Ellen White FOR ALL OF US!

3.    What they ellipse is so important that she says they take away the KEY OF KNOWLEDGE.

4.    They refuse to enter the straight way and hinder those who do--the true Reformers.

5.    They will never bear the seal of God. This shown that those who do not receive the seal of Ezekiel 9 will be slaughter in the very courts of the Temple, and not just some who have LEFT the Temple.

6.    It proves that God's vengeance will be executed at His Sanctuary, like 5T 211 says: 

 

     Here we see that the church--the Lord's sanctuary--was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those to whom God had given great light and who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus "Peace and safety" is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children all perish together. {5T 211.2}

 

Ezekiel 9 Destruction precedes and accompanies the coming of Christ: "These scenes will be re-enacted in the last days. Judgment, then, too, begins at the 'house of God.' (1 Peter 4:17), with those to whom God has given great light and who have stood as guardians of the spiritual interests of the people, but who have betrayed their trust (see 5T 211). These unfaithful shepherds receive first the abuse that will be heaped upon them by those who have been deceived by their guile (EW 282). Later, they perish in the general destruction that precedes and accompanies the second coming of Christ (see Rev. 15-19)." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 607.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 5:52 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Re: Fw: Stoning of Stephen

 

Ulicia,

 

My comments under yours.

----- Original Message -----

From: Ulicia

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:03 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Re: Fw: Stoning of Stephen

 

Actually Ron,
if you want to go to Africa -- YES, a lot of Adventists have been
killed over there.   We know quite a few who fled terrible
persecution in which many lost entire families,  they now live in
Canada.  Wonderful gentle, Seventh-day Adventists.
I can only admire their faith, and it is a strong faith -- They are a
real inspiration on how people who have come through such terrors and heartbreak could forgive and live with the peace and love of God in their hearts, as I have witnessed of them.

 

Ron responds: The question was specific Ulicia. Has anyone from my camp

in Africa killed anyone from your camp? I also made a statement which you

entirely ignored. Two people from my camp have been killed by people from

your camp. Does that concern you at all?

The stoning of Stephen was on a totally different level, then merely
a martyr. The Jewish nation had REJECTED CHRIST who was the very foundation of everything their temple worship pointed to.
Stephen's sermon was a covenant summary before the headquarters and leaders of that temple and nation.  It all pointed forward to Christ. Stephen pointed out how God had lead them to this point, and had sent them the Messiah but they had crucified HIM.   Had they in remorse ACCEPTED CHRIST as their Savior, even at that late date things could have been different.

 

Ron responds: In 1956-7, the Seventh-day Adventist denomiNATION

rejected  Christ and removed Him, His Atonement and His Sanctuary, which

was the very foundation of everything their faith was based upon. The teachings of my ministry and other true reformers ministries around the world constitutes a sermon that involves a covenant summary before the headquarters and leaders of the Seventh-day Adventist Temple and denomination. It all points to Christ and how God has lead us

in the past via the pioneers and how the pillars of that leading have been crucified and thus Christ has been crucified afresh, and how there has been no remorse and repentance for those serious acts which constitute unpardonable sin.

But what is there in Ron's message? Is it a call to repent of sin and turn to God -- a call for revival, a call urging the members to unite in prayer and commitment to Christ? No, it's a call to forsake the church and repent of being a Seventh-day Adventist.   That is the part of Ron's message that I cannot accept.

 

Ron responds: My message is a call to individuals to repent of the sins committed by the leadership of the new movement church and to come out from a church that has forsaken Christ and the pillar doctrines of Adventism. My message follows the prefigure example of Christ in gathering out from an omega heresy church that has forsaken and removed Christ, because He said that the wheat cannot grow and mature amongst thorns that do all of the above; that such thorns will  choke out the wheat and kill it. My message is a call to be a true, pioneer Seventh-day Adventist. It is an abominable like Ulicia Ulrike Unruh, to suggest that I teach anyone to forsake the

true Seventh-day Adventist teachings and the true SDA church. I teach that there will be a faithful "gathered out" remnant from the apostate new movement masquerading as the SDA church, Isaiah 37:31, 32 and Desire of Ages, 232.

The true reformer would work to awaken the grass roots of the
church.  Not fed them with other people's sins, but appeal to
their hearts and souls to be true to God no matter what. 

 

Ron responds: The true reformers know when the church has gone beyond the pale of no return in committing unpardonable sin, just as Christ knew and gave us that knowledge in Isaiah 8:9-13 and Jeremiah 11:9-15, as well as The Upward Look, 315. Ellen White said that the church would be a 

COUNTERPART to the Jews whom we were not to even pray for, but those words have no meaning to foolish virgins without spiritual discernment:

 

"The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald,  11-07-82.

 

"Shall the Lord be compelled to say, `Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to Me: for I will not hear thee' [Jeremiah 7:16]? `Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain....Wilt thou not from this time cry unto Me, My Father, thou art the guide of my youth' [Jeremiah 3:3-4]?...

We are to be judged by the light that has been given us,(159) and we can find no excuse by which to extenuate our course." Review and Herald, Vol 3, p 69-70 (August 1, 1893). (Brackets by Ellen White)

 

COUNTERPART: "In the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour came to clear away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What would the Saviour do if he should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He would have to do a similar work in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed when he did this work [As are SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of the original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our work to free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G. WhiteReview and Herald, Vol. 2, 308. 

 

The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, "Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them; neither make intercession to me; for I will not hear thee." The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: "The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so; and what will ye do in the end thereof?" "From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 8}

 

     The apostles declare that this state of things will find its counterpart in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, "The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders." The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, "They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 9}

 

  IF THE CHURCH MEMBERS would wake up  and get together to pray and study scripture and prepare themselves, letting God's truth, love and righteousness flood their minds -- NO LEADER in some far off office could stop the power of the church as it moves forth to give the true message TO THE WORLD.



Ron responds: That was very true prior to 1956-7, but that apostasy and betrayal of sacred trust has well nigh passed the point of no return and as Ellen White prophesied, the omega heresy will wax stronger until Jesus comes, and nothing will be allowed to stand in its way. The faithful have been taken before the courts of the land and Ellen White said that was a sign that the leaders no longer possessed the Holy Spirit. That coincides with their removal of God, His Atonement, and His Sanctuary from their midsts. 1SM 204-5.

 

Your church has made a pact with Satan, the leader of the fallen churches, to tone down the Sabbath issue and to restrict the Everlasting Gospel to only the unchurched. This is a betrayal of the mission and commission of the three angel's messages to the world. That is unfaithfulness to the work of the Lord. That calls for God's Plan B:

 

"The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.

God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131.

 

Unfortunately, your church, like the Jews it COUNTERPARTS, thinks that God needs them NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, because they regard themselves as the last church and that God is just stuck with them. That is not true friend. As the statement above says, God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing.' Your church now awaits Ezekiel 9:6. Your church now awaits Matthew 22:7. Your church now awaits Ezekiel 5. Your church now awaits Ezekiel 22:17-31.

Ron.


--- In DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com, "Ron Beaulieu" <rsbeauli@... wrote:

 Forum,
 
 Ulicia tries to instil fears about hypothetical evil surmisings
about what might potentially eventuate from our true teaching on
Ezekiel 9 and Matthew 22:1-10, yet two persons who teach our message in Africa were killed for their faith! Who is to fear whom?! Who from our camp Ulicia, have killed ANYONE from your omega heresy new movement camp?!
 
 Ron
 
 
----- Original Message -----
 From: Ron Beaulieu
 To: Confidential
 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Stoning of Stephen

 
 
 I fully believe so. But just like Israel, that was only the final
stroke. Israel committed unpardonable sin before the stoning of
Stephen and Jeremiah 11:9-15 is proof of that.
 
 Ron

 


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Confidential
   To: Ron Beaulieu
   Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:59 PM
   Subject: Re: Stoning of Stephen

 
 
   Thanks Ron.... at the time of stoning of Stephen God fully
rejected the Israel so could the killing of the Africans be the
breaking point where God fully rejects the SDA Church?
 
Confidential
 
 
  
From: Ron Beaulieu
   Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:05 PM
   To: Confidential
   Subject: Re: Stoning of Stephen
 
 
   Confidential,
 
   Yes, it has already happened in Africa. Two person who were
teaching our message have been killed. Some might not value the poor Africans, but Jesus does, because He came to preach the gospel to the poor because they are the ones who are not diverted by everything else and empire building. You have my permission to send this to the group if you wish.
 
   Ron
 
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Confidential
     To: Ron
     Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 7:45 PM
     Subject: Stoning of Stephen
 
 
     Ron,
 
     Is there a modern counterpart to the stoning of Stephen?
 
     Confidential

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:46 AM

Subject: Re: [DefendEGW] Re: (title shows Ron's character) Worst Lie of Laval Picard

 

Ulicia,

 

My response under yours.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ulicia

To: DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:44 AM

Subject: [DefendEGW] Re: (title shows Ron's character) Worst Lie of Laval Picard
 

--- In DefendEGW@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn MacDonald" <lynn2852@... wrote:

 Yes -- They truly are still stubborn. Unfortunately it will cost them their lives if they do not open their eyes to see the terrible apostasy which leads to it's sad destruction!!!--Lynn
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Ulicia responds:
Salvation by dwelling upon another's sin is not what I read in my Bible.

 

Ron responds: Part and parcel of the three angel's message is a warning of the sins of Babylon and to come out from it and purify oneself and the church as a peculiar and Holy people unto the Lord. Ellen White said that Isaiah 58 is our work. You are parroting the words of the dumb-dog watchmen who will never again show the House of Jacob its sins. Our ministry does not merely dwell on the sins of the church but shows the right pathway to heaven. It should be obvious to the discerning Christian that our duty is twofold and that you do not engage both aspects of our duty to warn of gross sin as well as to teach the truth, especially in light of omega heresy that has removed God, His Atonement and His Sanctuary.

Salvation is between me and God.
People need to recognize the SINS in their own lives and confess them before God, and surrender their lives to HIM.

 

Ron responds: If what you say is pure truth, then one would not need to defend any church, especially an apostate one. But your statement is only half true. You always deal in half truths. The other half to your statement above is that Ellen White called the church a theocracy. That calls for corporate responsibility for the sins of the church as well as the personal sins you mention. You statement totally errantly absolves one of the following principle and responsibility:

 

"There are fearful woes for those who preach the truth, but are not sanctified by it, and also for those who consent to receive and maintain the unsanctified to minister to them in word and doctrine." Testimonies, vol. 1, p 261-62.

 

 "For evils that we might have checked, we are just as responsible as if we were guilty." Desire of Ages, p. 44.

 

"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.

 

Your leaders REJECTED the above tenets as presented to them in a lengthy document by Donald K. Short and Robert J. Wieland in the early 1950's. That began the trek downward. That rejection of truth played a large role in the ensuing further drive into omega heresy in the latter 1950's. Your one-sided citation of our responsibility as being only PERSONAL, and not corporate, as pertaining to sin, reflects the error of your leaders and your husband who is the immediate priest of your household. Your statement of personal responsibility ONLY, reflects your rejection of the gift of the Holy Spirit's instruction to the church you claim to defend. This is serious.

 

We are NOT old Jerusalem, we are a world wide church.
To be true to Ron's TYPE it would be the headquarters in Washington D.C. that would be destroyed, not all the members world-wide.

 

Ron responds: O one of little understanding! Jerusalem in Ezekiel 9, refers now to spiritual Jerusalem, His Sanctuary, those (ALL) who have been privileged with great light, the House of Jacob, and not just the Headquarters of the church. By your surface understanding of the concept, only those at the headquarters of ancient Jerusalem and Washington D.C. would be marked and sealed. Do you see that? That is foolish is it not? The following statement completely refutes your error:

 

"Throughout the land of Judea, as well as in Jerusalem itself, the signal for flight must be immediately obeyed. He who chanced to be upon the housetop must not go down into his house, even to save his most valued treasures. Those who were working in the fields or vineyards must not take time to return for the outer garment laid aside while they should be toiling in the heat of the day. They must not hesitate a moment, lest they be involved in the general destruction.  {GC 25.4}

 

There were watchmen in towers all over Judea and they blew the trumpet at any approaching danger, and the people flocked to Jerusalem, and the Temple, for the leaders told the people that the Romans would never penetrate the 20fit thick gates to the city. You are countermanding God's Word that every true Christian was saved and the rest perished or were taken captive to Rome--the fate of some young and able bodied, as slaves.

 

In the antitype, the world churches of Babylon will become infuriated because the apostate SDA church will instruct its members to keep Sunday, as well as Sabbath at first. This will be looked upon as Satanic opportunism. This will provide a greater potential for "sheep stealing," and this is what will infuriate the Babylonian destroyers who will execute Ezekiel 9 the world over, BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY. Ellen White said that travel will be impeded. That was so in the ancient fulfillment as well.

 


In the 70 AD destruction Jerusalem was destroyed not all the synagogues and Jews in all the other towns.

 

Ron's messages is NOT without contradictions-- BUT FULL OF THEM.  If you would only open your eyes to see them.

 

THE crises will come to divide the true from the false.  BUT Ezekiel's judgment does not come till end as revealed in GC 656.  The false leaders that are now in the church will be around ON THE WRONG SIDE till the end.

 

Ron responds: Your words above, Ulicia, constitute a grievous peace and safety lie. What you are mocking is God's Word. Josephus gives the vivid history of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, as an eye-witness. He tells how complete it was. He tells how Jewish synagogues were destroyed all over the land. Travel was impeded and the Jews of surrounding areas who were not at the Temple were also rounded up and killed or taken as slaves. Notice in the following statement from the SDA Bible Commentary, how even the Jews of Damascus suffered bitterly even in the first attack on Jerusalem in A.D. 66:

 

“In the autumn of A.D. 66, Cestius next concentrated his entire force upon Jerusalem.  He arrived during the celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles, and although it was Sabbath, the Jews abandoned their religious rites and rushed out to attack Cestius’ troops.  To the amazement of both Romans and Jews, they broke the Roman ranks.  Indeed, Josephus declares that only a flank attack by a force of footmen and cavalry saved Cestius’ forces.  More than 500 Roman soldiers were killed whereas the Jews lost only 22 men (War ii. 198, 2 [519]).  At this point Agrippa sent an embassy to the Jews; their reaction was to attack his representatives, killing one and wounding the other.  Encouraged by a promise of the royalist party in Jerusalem to open the gates for him, Cestius then gathered his troops to a fresh assault, and penetrated as far as the north wall of the Temple.  Then an astounding thing happened: Cestius withdrew his troops, and placed himself strategically in such a poor position among the Judean hills that the Jews were able to attack him and kill more than 5,000 infantry and nearly 500 cavalry, including many officers, as well as to capture much materiel. 

 

A Lull in the Storm.—The defeat and withdrawal of Cestius gave many of the conservative Jews a chance to flee from Jerusalem.  Some of them joined Agrippa, others sought quiet in country places, and still others left the country entirely.  It was at this time that the Christians in Jerusalem fled in accordance with the warning of Jesus recorded in Matt. 24:15-19.  According to Eusebius, the 4th-century historian, the Christians in Jerusalem had been warned by prophets before the war began that they should leave the doomed city and find refuge at Pella in Peraea.  They now took this opportunity to make good their escape (Ecclesiastical History iii. 5, 3). During this time of comparative peace in Judea, however, the Jews in Damascus suffered bitterly. The Gentiles there had penned them up in the gymnasium under suspicion. When they learned of the Jewish victory in Jerusalem, they massacred more than 10,000 of them in ONE DAY." SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 5, 74, 75.

 

ONE DEVASTATED TOWN AFTER ANOTHER--"Fighting Among the Jews.--As the Romans left one devastated town after another behind them, groups of marauders moved in and carried on minor civil conflicts. The people of these towns fled when possible to Jerusalem, swelling the numbers there to be fed and kept in order. At last, sensing the importance of united action, the marauders came together and also moved into Jerusalem, where they took over control of affairs. They apprehended the best men of the city, who were opposed to violence because they saw its futility, and put many of them to death on the charge of treating with the Romans." ibid. pp. 76.

 

A Jewish Civil War.---When the Roman troops lying at rest for the moment, a Jewish leader by the name of Simon bar Giora began a marauding campaign through Judea and Idumeaea, plundering and killing." ibid. p. 77.

 

Here is Ellen White’s reapplication of Matthew 22:1-10:

Called to the Wedding Feast

(Sermon by Ellen G. White In Washington, Township, Iowa, Cir. 1874.)

     The words which I have selected as a foundation for a few remarks you will find in the 22nd chapter of Matthew, beginning at the first verse. [Verses 1-10, quoted.] {1SAT 4.1}

     The portion of Scripture presented before us, which I have referred to and have presented before your minds, is of intense meaning--much more than I am able to explain. It is of great interest to us, and we should consider it, and let it have due weight upon our minds. We find by perusing God's sacred Word of inspiration that when the promised Messiah, the Son of God, came into the world His own people, even His own nation--the Jews--would not and did not receive Him. As we are told in the first chapter of St. John, "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not" (John 1:11). {1SAT 4.2}

     The provision was made, but they would not receive it. The Father Himself provided a ransom, even a sacrifice. His own dear Son submitted Himself to His Father's requirements, came into this sinful world, became a man of sorrow and acquainted with grief. He went about doing good, speaking in tones of tenderness, saying in the deepest and most fervent and sweetest accents ever uttered, "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart"; and He assures us we shall find rest to our souls. {1SAT 4.3}

     "Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise."                                       -5- {1SAT 4.4}

     The great King Himself hath made a marriage for His Son. He hath sent forth His servants for many hundreds of years, saying, "Come, for all things are ready." But how little do the [people of the] world heed the invitation! They make light of it and go their ways to their worldly pursuits and worldly pleasures, the same as they have done for centuries. But the King sendeth forth His armies and destroys those murders and burns up their city, and we are told in the ninth chapter of Daniel, the 26th verse, that "the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the city...; and the end thereof shall be with a flood." {1SAT 5.1}

     "Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." {1SAT 5.2}

     In the 14th chapter of Luke, verse 16, we find that there was made a great supper and many were bidden. Servants were sent forth to say to those that were bidden, "Come; for all things are now ready" [verse 17]. But they made excuses. {1SAT 5.3}

     The King of the kingdom hath made a marriage supper for His Son. He hath sent forth His servants to say to those which are bidden, "Come to the marriage." The Lord is sending His servants, saying unto all who will hear, "Come, make ready for the great marriage supper of the Lamb; He is soon coming to receive all the faithful to the mansions prepared by Him, to partake of the feast which He hath prepared." He is sending, and hath been sending His servants for some thirty years past to say unto His people, "Come, make ready, put on your wedding garments; clothe yourselves with meekness, humility, and truth, and have yourselves clad in the righteousness of Christ, that you may be                                       -6-

able to appear before Him, and enter into the guest chamber with those who shall sit with Me at the wedding of My Son." {1SAT 5.4}

     All must be clothed with the wedding garment in order to be accepted, lest we be found speechless. {1SAT 6.1}

     Is it not of the greatest importance that we be found having on the robe of righteousness, that we be ready when the Bridegroom cometh to enter in to the marriage supper? May we heed the invitation given and make ourselves ready that we may have admittance into the Master's house, that He say not unto us that none which were bidden shall taste of His supper. In the parable, those who were bidden heeded not its invitation, but continued excusing themselves, feasting upon the pleasures of this world as the masses do at the present time. {1SAT 6.2}

     The servants of God are inviting and entreating them to come away from the alluring scenes of this vain and fleeting world, to make ready for the marriage supper, but they will not come. We hear them saying, There's no danger; tomorrow shall be as this day and much more abundant; no need of being disturbed. We must needs attend to farms and merchandise and the things of this life, lest we lose worldly interests, and become poor and suffer want. They forget that He who careth for the little sparrows and clotheth the lilies of the field, careth for the humble, trusting soul, and will guide and direct all those who are ready to do His will, and bestow upon His dear children such things as they need. To all who through patience and perseverance overcome, He hath promised to give a crown of never fading glory, a robe of righteousness, and an entrance into the beautiful city of our God. {1SAT 6.3}

     This same King is sending forth His servants today. He is inviting His guests, saying, "Come, for all things are now ready." The Lord of the marriage                                       -7-

is soon coming: behold, He is at the door. Delay not to open the door, lest He turn away from receiving you and you enter not into the marriage feast. Open the door and receive the Master, that you may enter into the mansions of everlasting rest and never fading glory prepared for all those that love Him. Who will make ready for the coming of Him who hath said, "Behold, I come quickly; and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be" [Rev. 22:12]. {1SAT 6.4}

     If we neglect our spiritual interests, neglect to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable unto God, which is our reasonable duty, we become entangled with the trifling cares of this life. If we even once omit our daily duty of calling upon God for His divine aid, His care and protection, we lose one day's enjoyment. We have not the sweet, melting influence of God's Holy Spirit attending us through the day, but we feel cast down and easily discouraged. The enemy of souls is ready to take advantage [of us] and often does, bringing us into captivity and sin. {1SAT 7.1}

     We may sometimes be cumbered about much serving, like Martha; but how much more commendable was the act of Mary, who sat and listened to the teachings of Jesus. He says, "Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but . . . . Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her" (Luke 10:41, 42). {1SAT 7.2}

     How many times the things of this vain, deceitful world come between us and our eternal interests! Temporal things spring up within our hearts and choke those things which are spiritual. We permit the enemy of righteousness to persuade us that we should attend to the things of this life. We now and then neglect greater duties lest we suffer want. If we faithfully entreat God to                                       -8-

give us strength and to perform temporal duties, and at the same time to give us grace and wisdom to overcome evil; if we have our hopes centered above and our conversation in heaven, whence we look for the Son of man who has bidden to the marriage all who will come: who has gone up on high to prepare mansions for all those who love and keep His sayings, and has told us He is coming to receive us, we may enter in to the wedding feast with Him, that where He is there we may be also. If we turn away from those calls and invitations, what will be the consequence? {1SAT 7.3}

     In the 13th chapter of the Acts of the Apostles, 46th verse, we find that if we put God's work from us, and judge ourselves unworthy of everlasting life, we have no reason to expect an entrance into the kingdom. The 24th verse of the 14th chapter of Luke informs us that "none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper." {1SAT 8.1}

     The great eternal Father has prepared a marriage feast for His Son. Will we give heed to His servants who have been and are being sent forth to proclaim unto us the solemn invitation? Or shall we make light of it? Oh, why refuse to make ready for the marriage of the Son of God? There is room for all who will accept the invitation. None can say [that] those things were not duly represented. Remember, when the good man returns, those who are ready will go in to the feast and the door will be shut, and there will be no further entrance, for we read that when "the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door" (Luke 13:25), then those who would find admittance will hear the answer, "I know you not. . . ; depart from Me." {1SAT 8.2}

     May we heed well the solemn warning and make ready to enter into the wedding, that His house may be filled. God's Word informs us, "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (Rev. 22:14). May we be found faithful, and give diligence to our calling, and possess the promised reward of the faithful, is my prayer.--Ms 8, 1874. (MR 900.56) {1SAT 8.3}

End Matthew 22 Parable from Sermon and Talks

 

The purpose of this document is to make Ezekiel 9 beginning at His Sanctuary, accord with Ellen White’s reapplication of Matthew 22:1-10, interpreting all E.G. White statements so that none contradict God’s Word in Matthew.

 

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