A Response to Tom, John Witcombe

 

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I received the following from a friend I will refer to confidentially as Tom. Tom asked me how I would respond to an email addressed to him by John Witcombe. My response is to Tom, but it is also to John Witcombe and Leroy Moore.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Confidential

To: 'Ron Beaulieu'

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:44 AM

Subject: FW: Walter Veith Responds to Reinder Bruinsma/Modern Israel and the Remnant_A Call To Reality

 

Ron, what would you say to John Witcombe?  I know that he once believed fully in the COG message as taught by Fred Wright.  It is my observation that any who have gone back on that message have also gone back to serving the denominational objective of calling people to become members in the organization.

 

I have begun the process of withdrawing my membership from the denomination, though I will most certainly continue to go into the churches and continue to do as I have done for years.  Talk truth, invite people home to study more.  Jesus did it, the apostles did it, I will do it.

 

Tom

 


From: John Witcombe [mailto:pastorjcw@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:56 AM
To: Tom Confidential
Subject: Re: Walter Veith Responds to Reinder Bruinsma/Modern Israel and the Remnant_A Call To Reality

 

Tom, here is something I wrote after taking hundreds of SDAs out of the church.

 

John

 

 

Does the SDA Church have any unconditional prophecies relating to its continuance as God’s denominated, visible church on earth? Yes, it does!

 

It is found in the writings of the prophet. “Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there are tares amid the wheat.” TM 45.

 

The word “church” can apply either to the visible organized institution or the invisible church. The invisible church is comprised of only wheat; whereas the visible church has tares amid the wheat.

 

Therefore, the “living church” referred to in TM 45 is referring to the visible SDA institution.

 

“The tares and wheat are now commingled, but then the one hand that alone can separate them will give to everyone his true position….The pure ore and the dross will no longer commingle.” TM 235.

 

The gold and dross will remain commingled within God’s living church until the one hand that alone can separate them will give to everyone his true position.

 

Has God predetermined an objective event that will signal when that time of separation has begun? If so, you would know that any movement of separation from the denomination prior to that event would not be ordained of God.

 

“The time is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The mark of the beast will be urged upon us….In this time the gold will be separated from the dross in the church.” 5T 81, 82.

 

What is that test? What is the mark of the beast?

 

“Sunday keeping is not yet the mark of the beast, and will not be until the decree goes forth causing men to worship this idol sabbath. The time will come when this day will be the test, but that time has not come yet.” 7BC 977.

 

From this it is right to conclude that the SDA denomination – the institution in its present state, where both wheat and tares are commingled, will continue to be “the only object on earth upon which God bestows His highest regard” at least up until the decree that goes forth causing men to worship on Sunday.

 

Unsettling events will transpire at that time. The shaking and loud cry cause tribe after tribe of other sheep to come in and company after company of unfaithful tares to leave.

 

“Standard after standard was left to trail in the dust as company after company from the Lord’s army joined the foe and tribe after tribe from the ranks of the enemy united with the commandment keeping people of God.” 8T 41.

 

But that is yet in the future. Today, with the evidence we have just reviewed supporting the prophetic destiny of the SDA Church, we can know that any movement towards drawing apart from the denomination is not sanctioned by God.

 

To read my story go to:

 

http://darklightstory.wordpress.com/

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Tom Confidential

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:04 PM

Subject: Re: Walter Veith Responds to Reinder Bruinsma/Modern Israel and the Remnant_A Call To Reality

 

Tom,

 

Here is my response. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

 

John Witcombe to Tom Confidential: “Tom, here is something I wrote after taking hundreds of SDAs out of the church.” John

 

Ron’s general response to John Witcombe’s response to Tom Confidential: 

 

Witcombe’s basic and serious error: To the astute reader it will be observed that I can disqualify the way John Witcombe interprets all of his E.G. White statements, by interpreting them with other E.G. White statements by Ellen White that directly contradict Witcombe’s interpretation. But he will be irrefutably unable to do the same with my interpretations of all John’s E.G. White statements, along with others by Ellen White, that directly contradict the interpretation John places on the E.G. White statements that he presents—as I have meticulously followed the directions of Ellen White in the following formula. This is John’s great and serious failing:

 

1. Weight of Evidence Formula: "1. Every word must have its proper bearing on the subject presented in the Bible 2. All Scripture is necessary, and may be understood by diligent application and study 3. Nothing revealed in Scripture can or will be hid from those who ask in faith, not wavering 4. To understand doctrine, bring all the scriptures together on the subject you wish to know, then let every word have its proper influence and if you can form your theory without a contradiction, you cannot be in error 5. Scripture must be its own expositor, [interpreter] since it is a rule of itself. If I depend on a teacher to expound to me, and he should guess at its meaning, or desire to have it so on account of his sectarian creed, or to be thought wise, then his guessing, desire, creed, or wisdom is my rule, and not the Bible." E.G. White, Second Advent Review and Herald, 11-25-34, pr.

 

Witcombe: Does the SDA Church have any unconditional prophecies relating to its continuance as God’s denominated, visible church on earth? Yes, it does!

 

Ron’s response: God has never given “unconditional prophecies” relating to His denominated, visible church on earth. There were promises to the Jews that “appeared” unconditional, but they were not. Thus, John Witcombe directly contradicts God’s Word as well as Ellen White, to wit:

 

Jeremiah 31:35-37; 33:23-26

 

Jer 31:35 ¶ Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name:

 

 Jer 31:36  If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

 

 Jer 31:37  Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

 

 Jer 33:23 ¶ Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,

 

 Jer 33:24  Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

 

 Jer 33:25 ¶ Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant [be] not with day and night, [and if] I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;

 

 Jer 33:26  Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, [so] that I will not take [any] of his seed [to be] rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

 

Does the sun still shine? Does the moon still appear? Do the stars still appear in the heavens? Are the Jews still God’s chosen people? Are they still a nation? Nay.

 

John’s faulty interpretation skills due to his failure to adhere to the weight of evidence formula, totally violate the following statements by Ellen White as well:

 

 "The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and make them a reproach.

God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131.

 

If John Witcombe’s premise is correct, then Ellen White would be a false prophet by the above statement and the following statements. Her word’s above and below would be non-sensical, meaningless statements by the Holy Spirit gift to the church, and that prospect is not possible. These clear statements either mean what they say and say what they mean, or they are so much rubbish and meaningless garble.

 

John Witcombe is directly contradicting the following statements of principle by Ellen G. White:

 

God's promises are all made upon conditions.  Faith and Works, p. 47 

 

“God would in no wise excuse sin in a people who had been enlightened, even if He had, in their days of faithfulness and purity, loved them, and given them especial promises. These promises and blessings were always upon condition of obedience upon their part.” SOP, Vol. 2, p. 54. 

 

“God had given them [Jews] His gracious promise that they should become a peculiar treasure unto Him, on condition of obedience; but if they were disobedient He would reject them, and choose another people.” Signs of the Times, Vol. 1, p. 152.

 

Promises to the Jews Promises the Jews misinterpreted -- "The Jews had deceived themselves by misinterpreting the words of the Lord through his prophets, of his eternal favor to his people Israel.

 

'Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar the Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever. Thus saith the Lord: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.' Jer. 31:35-37.

 

These words the Jews applied to themselves. And because God had shown them so great favor and mercy, they flattered themselves that, notwithstanding their sins and iniquities, he would still retain them as his favored people, and shower especial blessings upon them. They misapplied the words of Jeremiah and depended for their salvation upon being called the [chosen] children of Abraham. If they had indeed been worthy of the name of Abraham's children, they would have followed the righteous example of their father Abraham, and would have done the works of Abraham.

 

This has been the danger of the people of God in all ages and especially is this the danger of those living near the close of time. . . .

God would in no wise excuse sin in a people who had been enlightened, even if he had, in their days of faithfulness and purity, loved them, and given them especial promises. These promises and blessings were always upon condition of obedience upon their part.

 

The Lord pronounced, by the mouth of Moses, blessings upon the obedient, and curses upon the disobedient." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 1, 123.

 

Seventh-day Adventists, like the Jews, have misinterpreted certain of Ellen White’s statements relative to apparent promises to the church. If John Witcombe’s interpretation is correct; that God has made favorable and UNCONDITIONAL promises concerning the SDA denomination, then God will have to apologize to the Jews.

 

Witcombe: It is found in the writings of the prophet. “Has God no living church? He has a church, but it is the church militant, not the church triumphant. We are sorry that there are defective members, that there are tares amid the wheat.” TM 45.

 

Ron’s response: Defective members are entirely different from open sinning apostate leaders and laity. The very disciples of Jesus were very defective. Faults are defects--to wit:

 

"God takes men as they are, with the human elements in their character, and trains them for His service, if they will be disciplined and learn of Him. They are not chosen because they are perfect, but notwithstanding their imperfections, that through the knowledge and practice of the truth, through the grace of Christ, they may become transformed into His image....

All the disciples had serious faults when Jesus called them to His service. Even John, who came into closest association with the meek and lowly One, was not himself naturally meek and yielding. He and his brother were called 'the sons of thunder.' While they were with Jesus, any slight shown to Him aroused their indignation and combativeness. Evil temper, revenge, the spirit of criticism, were all in the beloved disciple. He was proud, and ambitious to be first in the kingdom of God. But day by day, in contrast with his own violent spirit, he beheld the tenderness and forbearance of Jesus, and heard His lessons of humility and patience. He opened his heart to the divine influence and became not only a hearer but a doer of the Savior’s words. Self was hid in Christ. He learned to wear the yoke of Christ and to bear His burden....

As His representatives among men, Christ does not choose angels who have never fallen, but human beings, men of like passions with those they seek to save." Desire of Ages, 294-5.

 

We learn from the above statement that serious faults (defects) do not disqualify a church. But John Witcombe and most SDA’s stop right there and excuse all their serious apostasy and open sin as mere defects! Is this a reasonable representation of the truth, the full weight of evidence?

 

Does God View Apostasy and Forbidden Open Sin as Mere Faults, Defects and/or Tares?

 

Taking far more evidence into weigh than Witcombe has chosen to purvey, we find that his interpretive conclusions do not consider all the evidence as interpreted so that nothing contradicts. There are gross contradictions to concluding, as does John, that mere defects and faults are to be equated with gross, forbidden apostasy and open sins in the church. Here again, what can only be considered as John’s very surface observations directly contradict God and Ellen White:

 

"It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.

 

So, is corrupt apostasy and open sin the same as mere defects? Are tares the same as corrupt apostasy? Evidently not, because the tares and the wheat can dwell together in all churches, even home churches, until the harvest and the harvest is the end of the world. So open sin apostasy corruption is in a different class from defects. This should be clear to any discerning student of the Word and Ellen White. She is quoting God in II Cor.

 

"Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature

 (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation [E.G. White, Christ's Object Lessons,  p. 50]  To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405.

 

God says that thorns choke out the wheat and kill it. That means that thorns are different from tares because tares can dwell with the wheat without choking it and killing it. Thorns symbolize more sever open sin and apostasy that make it IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature.

                      

The liberal leadership of the New Movement Seventh-day Adventist church (Selected Messages, vol. 1, 204-205), teaches--that justification is the sum and substance of religion! That is add-mixing another gospel, pure and simple. Paul says to accurse any who come with another gospel. There are at least two gospels being taught by SDA leadership. That is open, apostate sin in the church regarding the gospel no less!

We were to accurse anyone, even an angel, who should come with another gospel.  One of the gospels the church teaches is an abominable heresy!  Even Rome does not teach two opposing gospels.  That is one reason why Ellen White said that God's people (SDA's in context) are worse than heathen, graven image worshippers!  That is worse than Babylon! 

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 

 

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 

 

Accursed means anathema—that we are to have nothing to do with those who make this violation.

Accurse

Ac*curse"\, v. t. [OE. acursien, acorsien; pref. a + cursien to curse. See Curse.] To devote to destruction; to imprecate misery or evil upon; to curse; to execrate; to anathematize.

And the city shall be accursed. --Josh. vi. 17.

Thro' you, my life will be accurst. --Tennyson.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
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Witcombe: The word “church” can apply either to the visible organized institution or the invisible church. The invisible church is comprised of only wheat; whereas the visible church has tares amid the wheat.

 

Ron responds: This is not a sound conclusion by Witcombe. Why? Because the entire tenor of his interpretation of Ellen White and Scripture makes the erroneous mistake of equating tares with open sin apostates amongst church leaders and laity alike. Ellen White teaches corporate responsibility for such sin in individuals in the church, and that is why separation MEMBERSHIP WISE becomes an absolute duty:

 

1Cr 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

 

The example of Korah and party, and Achan and family, teaches corporate responsibility for KNOW sin in the camp.  Ellen White makes that clear as well.

 

"There are fearful woes for those who preach the truth, but are not sanctified by it, and also for those who consent to receive and maintain the unsanctified to minister to them in word and doctrine." Testimonies, vol. 1, p 261-62.

 

"The plain straight testimony must live in the church, or the curse of God will rest upon His people as surely as it did upon ancient Israel because of their sins. God holds His people, as a body [corporately], responsible for the sins existing in individuals among them." Testimonies, vol. 3, p. 269.

 

Witcombe: Therefore, the “living church” referred to in TM 45 is referring to the visible SDA institution.

 

Ron responds: Here is what Ellen White says in TM 45, 46: “The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn." {TM 45.1}

 

     In the parable of the wheat and the tares, we see the reason why the tares were not to be plucked up; it was lest the wheat be rooted up with the tares. Human opinion and judgment would make grave mistakes. But rather than have a mistake made, and one single blade of wheat rooted up, the Master says, "Let both grow together until the harvest;" then the angels will gather out the tares, which will be appointed to destruction. Although in our churches, that claim to believe advanced truth, there are those who are faulty and erring, as tares among the wheat, God is long-suffering and patient. He reproves and warns the erring, but He does not destroy those who are long in learning the lesson He would teach them; He does not uproot the tares from the wheat. Tares and wheat are to grow together till the harvest; when the wheat comes to its full growth and development, and because of its character when ripened, it will be fully distinguished from the tares. {TM 45.2}

 

     The church of Christ on earth will be imperfect, but God does not destroy His church because of its imperfection. There have been and will be those who are filled with zeal not according to knowledge, who would purify the church, and uproot the tares from the midst of the wheat. But Christ has given special light as to how to deal with those who are erring, and with those who are unconverted in the church. There is to be no spasmodic, zealous, hasty action taken by church members in cutting off those they may think defective in character. Tares will appear among the wheat; but it would do more harm to weed out the tares, unless in God's appointed way, than to leave them alone. While the Lord brings into the church those who are truly converted, Satan at the same time brings persons who are not converted into its fellowship. While Christ is sowing the good seed, Satan is sowing the tares. There are two opposing influences continually exerted on the members of the church. One influence is working for the purification of the church, and the other for the corrupting of the people of God. {TM 46.1}

 

Ellen White and Christ taught very clearly that open sin was to be UPROOTED from the church. First, efforts are to be put forth to reform the sinners, and then if he/she/they will not be reformed, they must be separated from the church:

 

"Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church..."  Christ's Object Lessons, 71.

 

But what is to occur when those leaders and laity who persist in open sin are not separated from the church? What then? God then chooses OTHERS, The Upward Look, 131 (cited earlier above). And separation becomes an absolute duty or one will be held responsible for the open apostate sins of leaders and laity. This is why Jesus and followers left the apostate church of His day. This is why true reformers have left the churches of their fathers in every succeeding generation, Desire of Ages, 232, where the only reason given for such separation is that the leaders would not tolerate light that was to be ever unfolding in the true church.

 

How could open sin be removed from the church when “dumb-dog watchmen will never again show the House of Jacob its sins?” Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. And what do we do since now it is the leaders who are the ring-leaders of the unpardonable sin apostasy of:

 

·         Ecumenical liaison with Babylon AFTER KNOWING AND RESPONDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE SECOND ANGEL’S MESSAGE AND THE MIDNIGHT CRY in violation of Isaiah 8:9-13, wherein the only option cited is “broken in pieces,” stated three times because of the seriousness of this unpardonable sin.

·         SDA church’s Adoption of Rome’s Trinity Doctrine, an abominable spiritualistic theory of Rome, which effectively destroys the entire Christian economy by denying the heavenly Sanctuary Service Atonement at the Incarnation, whereby the Holy Spirit was divested from the humanity of the Son of God to THEN become a third person proffering the “highest good, crowning gift that heaven can bestow” for the intended purpose of regenerating sinful man back into the image of God. The Trinity doctrine, Rome’s central doctrine, totally denies this heavenly Sanctuary sacrifice at the Incarnation, by saying that the Holy Spirit was always a separate third person.

·         The Trinity Doctrine thus destroys the entire Christian economy by denying the eternal sacrifice involved with the Incarnation (in the heavenly Sanctuary Service of the Incarnation Atonement before the cross). Jesus was to FOREVER retain His humanity and become a person distinct from His former Being.  Sanctuary Gone Atonement Gone -- "In a representation which passed before me, I saw a certain work being done by medical missionary workers. Our ministering brethren were looking on, watching what was being done, but they did not seem to understand. The foundation of our faith, which was established by so much prayer, such earnest searching of the Scriptures, was being taken down, pillar by pillar. Our faith was to have nothing to rest upon--the sanctuary was gone, the atonement was gone." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152.

·         Kellogg’s pantheism obviated the heavenly Sanctuary Atonement made to proffer God’s Divine Nature Holy Spirit as a gift to man, by teaching that God’s spirit is in everything WITHOUT THAT SANCTUARY ATONEMENT AND CROSS SACRIFICE! The Trinity Doctrine achieves the very same end by saying that the Holy Spirit was always a third person without the heavenly Sanctuary Incarnation Atonement at which time the Son divested Himself of His Holy Spirit Divine Nature and proffered it to man as a gift for regeneration back into the image of God. So both errors: Pantheism and the Trinity doctrine, achieve the same end! They destroy the entire Christian economy via the annihilation of the Sanctuary and the Atonement sacrifice made at the Incarnation of the Son of God, to wit: "Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,--the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin. In the gift of the Spirit [HIS LIFE--THE SOUL OF HIS LIFE], Jesus gave to man the highest good that heaven could bestow....

The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail....

It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church." E.G. White, Review and Herald Articles, May 19, 1904, vol. 5, p. 42.

 

“Cumbered with humanity Christ could not be in every place personally, therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them to go to His Father and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit.” E.G. White, (Manuscript Releases Volume 14 (No’s 1081-1135) MR No.1084.

 

The Holy Spirit always existed as the shared ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT by Father and Son. The Son divested Himself of that form of God, and it was THEN, THAT SACRIFICE, that the Holy Spirit became a separate, distinct THIRD PERSON. But it had always existed at the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT mentioned by Scripture. Just look up ETERNAL SPIRIT. It is that ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT that makes all three persons ONE GOD.

 

"The apostle would call our attention from ourselves to the Author of our salvation. He presents before us His two natures, divine and human. . . . He voluntarily assumed human nature. It was His own act, and by His own consent. He clothed His divinity with humanity. He was all the while as God, but He did not appear as God. He veiled the demonstrations of Deity which had commanded the homage, and called forth the admiration of the universe of God. He was God while upon earth, but He divested Himself of the form of God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of a man. He walked the earth as a man. For our sakes He became poor, that we through His poverty might be made rich. He laid aside His glory and His majesty. He was God, but the glories of the form of God He for awhile relinquished. . . . He bore the sins of the world, and endured the penalty which rolled like a mountain upon His divine soul. He yielded up His life a sacrifice, that man should not eternally die. He died, not through being compelled to die, but by His own free will." E.G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7a, p. 446.

 

·         "The spiritualistic theories regarding the personality of God [the Godhead], followed to their logical conclusion, sweep away the whole Christian economy. They estimate as nothing the light that Christ came from heaven to give John to give to His people. They teach that the scenes just before us are not of sufficient importance to be given special attention. They make of no effect the truth of heavenly origin, and rob the people of God of their past experience, giving them instead a false science." E.G. White, 1SM, p. 204.

 

·         Add-mixing a false gospel in the church that emphasizes justification without sanctification. This was to be anathematized—have nothing to do with. The tithe money of members who do not agree with that abomination still goes to the leaders who teach it! Thus, the members are guilty of the following: "There are fearful woes for those who preach the truth, but are not sanctified by it, and also for those who consent to receive and maintain the unsanctified to minister to them in word and doctrine." Testimonies, vol. 1, p 261-62  (see also Testimonies, vol. 2, p 552).

·         “I was shown the necessity of those who believe that we are having the last message of mercy, being separate from those who are daily imbibing new errors. I saw that neither young nor old should attend their meetings; for it is wrong to thus encourage them while they teach error that is a deadly poison to the soul and teach for doctrines the commandments of men. The influence of such gatherings is not good. If God has delivered us from such darkness and error, we should stand fast in the liberty wherewith He has set us free and rejoice in the truth. God is displeased with us when we go to listen to error, without being obliged to go; for unless He sends us to those meetings where error is forced home to the people by the power of the will, He will not keep us. The angels cease their watchful care over us, and we are left to the buffetings of the enemy, to be darkened and weakened by him and the power of his evil angels; and the light around us becomes contaminated with the darkness.

·         “I saw that we have no time to throw away in listening to fables. Our minds should not be thus diverted, but should be occupied with the present truth, and seeking wisdom that we may obtain a more thorough knowledge of our position, that with meekness we may be able to give a reason of our hope from the Scriptures. While false doctrines and dangerous errors are pressed upon the mind, it cannot be dwelling upon the truth which is to fit and prepare the house of Israel to stand in the day of the Lord.” — Early Writings, pages 124, 125.

·         The Trinity Doctrine of Rome is a spiritualistic fable. All excuses for Association, counsel (council), girding and confederacy with fallen Babylon after knowing the truth of the Midnight Cry and the second angel’s message are fables, lying fabrications. And this is so serious that it involves unpardonable sin.

·         In Jeremiah 11:9-15, when the Jews of that generation conspired (confederated) with God’s enemies, He instructed Jeremiah not to pray for them. That denotes UNPARDONABLE SIN. He also asked what His beloved had to do in His house (church) since it had wrought lewdness with many. The SDA omega of apostasy new movement, Selected Messsages, Bk. 1, 204-205, has committed the very same violations in principle that are cited in Jer. 11:9-15. The idol of the Trinity abomination was “smuggled in” in 1930 by Leroy Froom. It was voted on in 1980. It is now a baptismal vow. This is a serious abomination which does away with the entire Christian economy.

 

God’s presence is REMOVED from any church that should ever do away with the entire Christian economy. That, the omega of apostasy, new movement SDA church has done, 1SM 205, “God being removed.”     

 

Witcombe: “The tares and wheat are now commingled, but then the one hand that alone can separate them will give to everyone his true position….The pure ore and the dross will no longer commingle.” TM 235.

 

Ron responds: The final removal of the tares has nothing to do with gross, abominable apostasy, that can occur at any time in any church. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, He can no longer use such a church and others are chosen, The Upward Look, 131 (cited further up).

 

The manner in which Witcombe interprets the wheat and tare parable, NO SEPARATION SHOULD EVER HAVE OCCURRED until the final harvest at the end-time! This is an absolute fact! Think it through! If open sin apostasy is in the class of mere tares (defective, faulty leaders and laity), then Jesus should not have instructed His disciples to form Christian churches all throughout Judea. He should not have “gathered out” those who would take the gospel to the world. Protestants should never have separated from Catholicism. Adventists should never have separated from apostate Protestantism in 1844! Again, Witcombe’s interpretation of Ellen White and Scripture is errant to the point of preposterous, contradictory foolishness.

 

Witcombe: The gold and dross will remain commingled within God’s living church until the one hand that alone can separate them will give to everyone his true position.

 

Ron responds: There will be gold and dross, wheat and tares, in all churches, even home churches, until the harvest which is at the end of the world. But that does not excuse remaining in any church that has committed gross, unpardonable sin apostasy. To reckon such apostasy as mere faults and defects is totally foreign to the Word of God and the Spirit of Prophecy. That is what Witcombe’s interpretations achieve.

 

Witcombe: Has God predetermined an objective event that will signal when that time of separation has begun? If so, you would know that any movement of separation from the denomination prior to that event would not be ordained of God.

 

“The time is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The mark of the beast will be urged upon us….In this time the gold will be separated from the dross in the church.” 5T 81, 82.

 

Ron responds:  Once again, Witcombe is wresting 5T 81, 82 totally out of proper context. Ellen White is speaking of the National Sunday law in context. This is when the gold will be separated from ALL APOSTATE CHURCHES, including the remaining gold of recent converts to the apostate SDA new movement church. Read the first and last paragraph on page 81. Ellen White is speaking to non-SDA’s as well by her words: “There are precious ones now hidden who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have not had the light which has been shining in a concentrated blaze upon you [SDA’s]. In the last paragraph, the same “hidden ones” as spoken of in the first paragraph, will be revealed to view in the collective churches. This is when the Loud Cry goes and the wheat is separated from the tares (gold from dross) IN ALL CHURCHES in the world, not just the apostate SDA new movement church. There will be new converts to that church at that time that must be called out. But that does not remove our duty NOW to sigh and cry for all the abominations upon which Ezekiel 9 sealing is conditional. That does not remove our duty to NOW NOT join any apostate new movement that has removed God by abominable, unpardonable apostasies. Notice in the following statement that all who disregard the Midnight Cry (Matt. 25) which called us out of Babylon in 1844 (giving power to the second angel’s message) BY KNOWINGLY RE-JOINING BABYLON’S ASSOCIATIONS, COUNSELS (COUNCILS), GIRDINGS AND CONFEDERACIES, find it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the pathway to heaven. That, my friend, means they commit UNPARDONABLE SIN:

 

 "While praying at the family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.' At this I raised my eyes and saw a straight and narrow path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people were traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path, and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City, they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great way of, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of Jesus' coming....

By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.

 

SDA leaders and laity have violated the Midnight Cry light of Matthew 25 (1844), which Ellen White says gave power to the second angel’s message. How? By rejoining Babylon’s local Ministerial Associations, it’s National Councils, and its World Council of Churches in at least five countries of the world. This is why Ezekiel 9 will have another literal fulfillment BEGINNING AT HIS SANCTUARY, the SDA church, the House of Jacob, to wit:

 

“The Lord reads the heart as an open book. The men who are not connected with God have done many things after the imagination of their own evil hearts. The Lord declares concerning them, "They have turned unto Me their back, and not the face, though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them; yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction." We are amid the perils of the last days, the time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter. Study also the tenth chapter which represents the hand of God as at work to bring perfect method and harmonious working into all the operations of his prepared instrumentalities. The eleventh and twelfth chapters also should receive critical, thoughtful attention. Let these prophecies be studied on your knees before God; unless you take up the stumbling-blocks which by your own perverse spirit you have laid in the way of many who have been connected with you, God will turn His face utterly from you and your associates.”{1888 1303.1}

 

"The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit.

 

The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music, than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit's working." E. G. White,  Selected Messages, Vol. 2, 36.

 

 "The state of the Church represented by the foolish virgins, is also spoken of as the Laodicean state." E. G. White,  Review and Herald Articles,  Vol. 2, 420, 8/19/1890. 

 

"The church is in the Laodicean state. The presence of God is not in her midst." E.G. White, Notebook Leaflets, p. 99, 1898.

 

"To the end of time, the presence of the Spirit is to abide with the true church." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 55.

 

“The Testimony For The Church—The Laodicean Church—What greater deception can come upon human minds than a confidence that they are right when they are ALL WRONG?”  Testimonies, Vol. 3, pp. 253, 254.

 

Whitcomb’s conclusions are ALL WRONG because of his faulty interpretations which totally violate the weight of evidence formula as directed by Ellen G. White.

 

Who leaves Whom?

 

It is erroneously interpreted by most SDA’s that the bad leave the good. This is not true. Ezekiel 22:17-31 tells where the dross will be gathered—into the midsts of Jerusalem, the apostate church. Ezekiel 9 BEGINS AT HIS SANCTUARY, the House of Jacob, because of its abominations for which we are to sigh and cry.

 

“The time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1303.

 

The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880:  “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.” 

“The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.”  Prophets and Kings, 416.    

Who is modern Israel (below) in your estimation? BABYLON??????

 

“The time will soon come when the prophecy of Ezekiel 9 will be fulfilled; that prophecy should be carefully studied, for it will be fulfilled to the very letter.”— Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1303.

 

The Signs of the Times, February 12, 1880:  “The desolation of Jerusalem stands as a solemn warning before the eyes of modern Israel.” 

“The desolation of Jerusalem in the days of Jeremiah is a solemn warning to modern Israel, that the counsels and admonitions given them through chosen instrumentalities cannot be disregarded with impunity.”  Prophets and Kings, 416.   

 

“I was confirmed in all I had stated in Minneapolis, that a reformation must go through the churches. Reforms must be made, for spiritual weakness and blindness were upon the people who had been blessed with great light and precious opportunities and privileges. As reformers they had come out of the denominational churches, but they now act a part similar to that which the churches acted. We hoped that there would not be the necessity for another coming out. [THIS IS THE ONLY KNOWN STATEMENT FROM THE PEN OF ELLEN WHITE INDICATING THAT SHE MIGHT HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ORGANIZATION. THE DOUBT WHICH SHE EXPRESSED HERE WAS NEVER REPEATED DURING THE REMAINING TWENTY-SIX YEARS OF HER LIFE.] While we will endeavor to keep the "unity of the Spirit" in the bonds of peace, we will not with pen or voice cease to protest against bigotry.--EGW '88 356, 357 (1889). {LDE 48.1}

 

The red print portion in brackets is a notation in the book Last Day Events, within the statement just as it appears above. Only "dumb-dog" watchmen (Isa. 56:10-12 and 5T 211) would place the following statement immediately after the above one ON THE SAME PAGE, after saying that the above statement was the only one wherein Ellen White expressed a lack of confidence in the church. That is an absolute lie. Here is a listing of some of the many statements expressing Ellen White’s lack of confidence in the professing church militant:

 

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“Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." Ellen G. White, Review and Herald Articles, Aug. 1, 1893. [THE BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE.] {LDE 48.2}

 

“Let us bear in mind the words that Christ spoke to the people who were honored above others in being privileged to have the Lord Jesus Christ to labor among them, and yet who did not appreciate this privilege, and did not diffuse the light of Heaven to others. He said: "Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repeated long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell; for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee." {RH, December 3, 1895 par. 6}

 

The Prophesied Fall of The Professing Seventh-day Adventist Church—The Outcome

 

"Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message,  symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. 

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour's advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith--which alone could render the service acceptable to God--was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them."  E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy,  vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200.

 

SDA Watchmen will NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob (let alone Babylon) its sins:

 

"Here we see that the (SDA) church-the Lord's sanctuary-was the first to feel the stroke of the wrath of God. The ancient men, those who had stood as guardians of the spiritual interest of the people, had betrayed their trust. They had taken the position that we need not look for miracles and the marked manifestation of God's power as in former days. Times have changed. These words strengthen their unbelief, and they say: The Lord will not do good, neither will He do evil. He is too merciful to visit His people in judgment. Thus Peace and safety' is the cry from men who will never again lift up their voice like a trumpet to show God's people their transgressions and the house of Jacob (the leadership) their sins. These dumb dogs that would not bark are the ones who feel the just vengeance of an offended God. Men, maidens, and little children ALL perish together." (ALL excludes nobody-not one. ALL from the leadership to the cradle roll are slain!) Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211. (The chapter this is taken from begins on page 207, quoting Ezekiel 9).

 

The SDA COUNTERPART FACTOR to the Jews

 

COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White, Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82.

 

"Shall the Lord be compelled to say, `Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to Me: for I will not hear thee' [Jeremiah 7:16]? `Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain....Wilt thou not from this time cry unto Me, My Father, thou art the guide of my youth' [Jeremiah 3:3-4]?...
We are to be judged by the light that has been given us,(159) and we can find no excuse by which to extenuate our course."
Review and Herald, Vol. 3, p 69-70 (August 1, 1893). (Brackets by Ellen White)
 
COUNTERPART: "In the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so covered over the precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and fable, that it was impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The Saviour came to clear away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished errors, and to set the jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What would the Saviour do if he should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He would have to do a similar work in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed when he did this work [As are SDAs today!]. They had lost sight of the original truth of God, but Christ brought it again to view. It is our work to free the precious truths of God from superstition and error." E.G. White, 
Review and Herald, Vol. 2, 308. 

 

The Lord commanded one of his ancient servants, "Pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them; neither make intercession to me; for I will not hear thee." The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this fearful denunciation: "The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so; and what will ye do in the end thereof?" "From the least of them even unto the greatest of them, every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest, every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 8}

 

     The apostles declare that this state of things will find its counterpart in the last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at their state. They say in their hearts, "The church is flourishing. Peace and spiritual prosperity are within her borders." The words of the prophet may well apply to these self-deceivers, "They have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 9}

                      

Witcombe: What is that test? What is the mark of the beast?

 

“Sunday keeping is not yet the mark of the beast, and will not be until the decree goes forth causing men to worship this idol sabbath. The time will come when this day will be the test, but that time has not come yet.” 7BC 977.

 

Ron responds: Witcombe erroneously implies that there should NEVER be any separation from apostate churches until the National Sunday Law or the Mark of the Beast ensues. History and Scripture prove him so errant. Notice:

 

“Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry.  {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}

 

When a corporate church engages apostasy and will not put it away and out of the camp, the faithful must leave or be corporately responsible. This is the reason Christ and His disciples left. This is why Paul left. This is why Protestants left Rome. This is why Adventists left the other churches in 1844, when they would not tolerate light.

 

Jesus left Christ left

 

 "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.

 

Paul left

 

"And as they persisted in their rejection of the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space for three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.

 

"Fearing that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body." E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.

 

Please note the ONLY REASON why Paul left! It was not because the Jews taught the false doctrines that are part of Babylon’s errors. It was because Paul fear that the faith of the believers would be endangered by continued association with the opposers of truth. Is that a real and present danger in the SDA church today? Especially in light of the fact that the omega of apostasy new movement SDA church has “removed God” by teaching such abominations as a false gospel, the trinity doctrine, and liaison with Babylons ASSOCIATIONS (Nearly every SDA minister belongs to the local Ministerial Association of Babylon which requires annual dues for membership), Counsels (Councils) Girdings and Confederacies. There is abundant proof of SDA ecumenical membership. Just ask for it! Here is a beginning:

 

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 "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary." E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1, 1881.

 

Shiloh is where the Jews first settled after leaving their 40 year stint in the wilderness. So faithful Jews were separating and worshipping at home long before the close of probation for the Jews. Does Ellen White reprove them for doing so. No, and she gives the above statement for a purpose.

 

Scripture on Home Churches

 

Act 16:32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Act 16:34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into [the house of] Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

Act 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain [man's] house, named Justus, [one] that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

Rom 16:5 Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. Salute my well beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

1Cr 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them [which are of the house] of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

1Cr 16:15 I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [that] they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

 

When the young men and women were kept away from the Alpha of apostasy in the church, what did they do where did they meet for worship?

 

Ellen White on Home Churches in the Alpha of Apostasy:

 

"There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #995, p. 5.

 

"Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers, who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905, Evangelism, p. 108.

 

Pray tell, what would Ellen White’s counsel be today in light of the far worsened condition?

 

Witcombe: From this it is right to conclude that the SDA denomination – the institution in its present state, where both wheat and tares are commingled, will continue to be “the only object on earth upon which God bestows His highest regard” at least up until the decree that goes forth causing men to worship on Sunday.

 

Ron responds: Ellen White’s favourable statements concerning the church were always CONDITIONAL. Ellen White said that the pioneers had hoped there would not be the need of another coming out AND SHE SAID THAT LONG BEFORE THE SUNDAY LAW WILL HAVE OCCURRED! And remember The Upward Look, 131, (cited further up). Remember her statement as to how we are corporately responsible for the open sins of individuals in the church and then consider the apostasy of the very leaders of the church. The 144,000 are not defiled with women (fallen, apostate churches) Rev. 14:1-4. We are to strive to be among them. They will not be members of an apostate church or God’s Word would be errant.

 

Witcombe: Unsettling events will transpire at that time. The shaking and loud cry cause tribe after tribe of other sheep to come in and company after company of unfaithful tares to leave.

 

Ron responds: Above Witcombe cites one of the most serious cherished errors of Adventism. They rest highly on this error that believes that the bad will be shaking out of the apostate SDA church to leave it purged and purified, while the good are added to the ranks of that church triumphant. That is not true. The SDA apostate church will not change. She will instruct her members to keep Sunday:

 

"The Lord has a controversy with his professed people in these last days. In this controversy men in responsible positions will take a course directly opposite to that pursued by Nehemiah. They will not only ignore and despise the Sabbath themselves, but they will try to keep it from others by burying it beneath the rubbish of custom and tradition. In churches and in large gatherings in the open air, ministers, will urge upon the people the necessity of keeping the first day of the week." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 1, p. 405, col. 3.

 

“The enemy knows that if the church can be controlled by political enactments, if she can be led to unite with the world, she virtually acknowledges him as her head. Then the authority of man-made commandments will work to oppose the rule of the government of heaven. Under the leadership of Satan men will dispense with the righteous, holy enactments of God concerning the Sabbath, the observance of which is to be a sign between God and His people forever. {ST, November 22, 1899 par. 1}

 

If the SDA church militant was ever purged of its bad in the shaking process, then Ezekiel 9 would not BEGIN AT ITS SANCTUARIES AROUND THE WORLD! 5T 211, and Ezekiel 9:6.

 

Witcombe: “Standard after standard was left to trail in the dust as company after company from the Lord’s army joined the foe and tribe after tribe from the ranks of the enemy united with the commandment keeping people of God.” 8T 41.

 

Ron responds: What is the SDA church militant doing at the time when its danger is greatest—the time of the National Sunday Law issue? Here is precisely what it will be doing:

 

"The leaven if godliness has not entirely lost its power. At the time when the danger and depression of the church are greatest, the little company who are standing in the light will be sighing and crying for the abominations that are done in the land. But MORE ESPECIALLY will their prayers arise in behalf of the church because ITS MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the world." Testimonies, vol. 5, 209, 210.

 

The chapter the above statement is taken from begins on page 207, quoting Ezekiel 9. Ellen White is speaking of Jerusalem, the House of Jacob, p. 211. The SDA apostate church will experience a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 because of doing after the manner of the world. Obviously, the “little company standing in the light” will not be MEMBERS, because the MEMBERS are doing after the manner of the world.

 

"Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those 'that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the church.' Testimonies, vol. 3, pp. 266-267.

 

The Man in Linen is the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit life and soul of Christ. He puts a Mark on all who sigh and cry for all the abominations IN THE CHURCH. If a person faithfully did this, they would not be allowed to enter an SDA church. They would be barred at the doors like the faithful Hungarians were when their church division joined the Hungarian Council of Free Churches, which is the National Council of Churches of the World Council of Churches in Hungary. SDA’s have admitted to being a member of that National Counsel for decades. It was reported in the Adventist Review in the latter 1980’s or early 90’s, when about 1500 Hungarians protested this liaison with Babylon.

 

So folk like Tom Confidential who say they will stay to warn the people, will not be warning of ALL the abominations or they would not be permitted entrance to any SDA church.

 

Witcombe: But that is yet in the future. Today, with the evidence we have just reviewed supporting the prophetic destiny of the SDA Church, we can know that any movement towards drawing apart from the denomination is not sanctioned by God.

 

Ron responds: Is should be abundantly clear to any thoughtful student of Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy, that there is a huge amount of evidence as part and parcel to the weight of evidence formula taught by Scripture, Ellen White, that John Witcombe has conveniently neglected and/or ignorantly failed to consider. In light of the fact that some of the church’s violations constitute unpardonable sin according to Jeremiah 11:9-15, Isaiah 8:9-13, and Ellen White Midnight Cry statement, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14, it is a serious matter to come the conclusion(s) John Witcombe has come to in light of his lack of consideration of much pertinent evidence of eternal consequences.

 

Ellen White said that the A.D. 70 destruction of Jerusalem is a PREFIGURE of the destruction of the world at the end-time, The Great Controversy, p. 25. That destruction was a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 98. Then she reapplies Matthew 22:1-10 to our day in Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9. To those with spiritual discernment, these two facts make the experience of the Jews from A.D. 27-A.D. 70 applicable to SDA’s in the end-time outcome of the church. God has given us a prefigure TYPE as to exactly what to do and when to do it in the example of the Jewish apostasy and its outcome. To ignore this TYPE and ANTITYPE application in Scripture and the SOP is to turn one’s back on some very special counsel by God to His end-time church. As there were home churches in that TYPE, so there will be home churches in the ANTITYPE COUNTERPART.

 

All His blessings,

 

Ron Beaulieu

 

Witcombe: To read my story go to:

 

http://darklightstory.wordpress.com/

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: Tom (Confidential)

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: Walter Veith Responds to Reinder Bruinsma/Modern Israel and the Remnant_A Call To Reality

                      

Tom,

 

John makes mention of the following E.G. White statement in the story of his experience published by Pacific Press, The John Witcombe Story. Elder Leroy Moore taught him "The contrasting positive pole" theory rather than the weight of evidence theory as advocated by Ellen White. This is interesting. My interpretation below this statement:

 

Witcombe: "Now here's the contrasting positive pole for that 'little hope' quotation. 'No advice or sanction is given in the Word of God to those who believe the third angel's message to lead them to suppose that they can draw apart. This you may settle with yourselves forever' [3Selected Messages:21]."

 

Ron's interpretation: There are very qualifying words in most of Ellen White's statements. The profound qualifying words Leroy Moore and John Witcombe should have discerned in the above statement are "...those who believe the third angel's message."

 

The SDA Bible Commentary says that the Jewish leaders were virtual atheists. Ellen White says the same thing about the dumb-dog watchmen of today in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. She indicts them with UNBELIEF. Unbelief is atheism. If the leaders really "BELIEVED" the Midnight Cry and the second angel's messages, they would not defiantly violate them via ecumenical liaison with Babylon. When the Jews conspired (confederated) with God's enemies in Jeremiah 11:9-15, were they guilty of UNBELIEF? Surely they were. So Ellen White's counsel is that there is no sanction given in the Word of God to those who BELIEVE the third angel's message (and obey it because of their belief) to lead them to suppose that they can draw apart from any who really BELIEVE and obey it. That is the true meaning of her words.

 

If we can come into ASSOCIATION, COUNSEL, GIRDING AND CONFEDERACY with those who do not BELIEVE and OBEY the counsel of the three angel's messages and the Midnight Cry which Ellen White says gave power to the second angel's message, THEN we should disobey Isaiah 8:9-12, which is unpardonable sin to violate--broke-in-pieces being the only option.

 

On the other edge of the sword, if we ASSOCIATE, TAKE COUNSEL, GIRD AND CONFEDERATE with those who apparently by their works and teaching DO NOT BELIEVE those messages, but only mouth them while they grossly violate them, we will be broken in pieces as well. The Jews claimed to BELIEVE the commandments of God and to keep them. Did they? Nay. The SDA church has claimed to believe the three angel's messages and to obey them. Have they? Nay. Thus, we must come out from them and be separate.

 

Leroy Moore should have known better. Wishfully, John Witcombe should have known better--how to rightly divide and interpret the Word and the SOP. I would appreciate it if you would pass this on to John. I would appreciate as well his response. We cannot rely on dumb-dog watchmen for eternal advice. Ellen White as much as reapplies Isaiah 56:10-12 in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211. Isaiah indicts them ALL three times. Count the word ALL in those verses. Yet, God's professed people do not believe Him, and they go to dumb-dog watchmen for advice on such things as interpreting the Holy Spirit gift to the church.

 

This offer is to you Tom and John Witcombe as well. Send me any quote by Ellen White that you have difficulty with, and I will interpret it in proper context with the weight of evidence. God has given me that gift. And I will assure you that my interpretation will be so that NOTHING CONTRADICTS.

 

Leroy Moore's methodology (Contrasting poles) results NOT IN INTERPRETING SO THAT NOTHING CONTRADICTS, but rather a selective choosing of what one desires to believe. The CONTRADICTIONS still cry out.

 

Strict adherence to Ellen White’s weight of evidence formula is the only way you can KNOW that you are not in error. Leroy Moore and John Witcombe are not following that formula.

 

Ron