The Church Militant and the Church Triumphant
by
Clark Floyd of Hope International Ministries
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Dear Reader, This is a review of an article
by Clark Floyd in Our Firm Foundation magazine published by Hope
International ministries, an independent ministry that operates within the
New Movement SDA church that has “removed God,” Selected Messages, Bk. 1,
204-5. The article appeared in Our Firm
Foundation magazine, Volume 20, Number 6, June 2005, and was entitled: The Church Militant and the Church
Triumphant. Though Clark Floyd is correct in
his interpretation of the symbolism he employs, he totally misinterprets a
correct response to the Laodicean, SDA apostate church militant, that he
correctly demonstrates as being the grisled lukewarm horse of Zechariah 6:6,
7. I have included Mr. Floyd’s entire
article herein and my objectives are as follows: ·
Prove
that he is totally errant in his view that the Laodicean Seventh-day
Adventist church militant will be purified to become the ·
That
a purification of the ·
That
Christ and His disciples left the apostate Jewish church. ·
That
Christ and His disciples established formed another “ ·
That
the apostate Jewish church, become a harlot, could not be the pure ·
That
God was indeed aware that apostasy and increasing worldliness would take place
in our beloved Seventh-day Adventist Church before it ever happened, and His
directives when such apostasy should overtake the organized church as it did
the ancient first “chosen” church. ·
That
the Lord’s statement that He would “dwell in the midst of ·
That
the bride will never be a harlot associated with a harlot, apostate church,
that has removed God, once she learns that the church is apostate. ·
That
Ellen White said that all the fallen churches are Laodicean. No Laodicean church is reformed to become
the church triumphant. ·
That
the bride ( ·
That
the grisled Laodicean horse of Zechariah 6:6, 7, will never be reformed to be
the “bay” strong horse, and that it is impossible to knowingly and willingly
unite with the corrupt grisled horse and then be a bay horse—Zion, the bride
of Jesus Christ, the 144,000, who will give the final battle Loud cry of the
three angel’s messages. ·
That
a declination to atheism after once “believing,” is worse than being
spiritual Babylon—that there is more hope for spiritual Babylon than a church
backslidden to atheism that has removed God. ·
That
God will never purify the Laodicean Seventh-day Adventist church militant to
leave it as the 1.
Satan=Father 2.
3.
Her
daughters are the harlots constituting mainstream, Laodicean Christianity. 4.
The
Son’s of Satan’s Synagogue are the non-Christian religions of the earth as
well as agnosticism and atheism. 5.
That
We will not review Clark Floyd’s
article. His article will appear in this color. My remarks will remain in this same dark blue. The captions of Mr. Floyd’s article will
appear in this color. Now we proceed to Clark Floyd’s article: *** God is in control. There is
nothing that happens in history that God is not aware of before it takes
place. “Because I knew that thou are obstinate, and thy neck is an iron
sinew, and thy brow brass; I have even from the beginning declared it to
thee. . . . I have shewed thee new things from this time, even hidden things,
and God was aware that the apostasy
and the increasing worldliness would take place in our beloved Ron’s Commentary: The most provocative forecast of evidence
that the SDA church would become Laodicean, worldly and atheistic, has been
missed by Clark Floyd and Ron’s Spear’s Hope International, which employs Mr.
Floyd. In fact it has been missed by
all the so called independent ministries which are very DEPENDENT upon the
monies they receive because they work within the apostate church. They all are led by SDA ministers whom
Isaiah 56:10-12 as ALL greedy dogs who ALL will not bark, and ALL of whom
cannot understand. Ellen White updates
that passage as applying to our time in Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 211. Their love of mammon is greater
than their love for God. That is why
they tell just enough truth to ingratiate their hearers who are like
minded—worldly and in love with mammon.
Also, they like the fellowship of like brethren. Anyone who tells the full truth will receive
just enough to survive as did the disciples of Jesus. The greedy dogs want more than that! That provocative evidence I
speak of is forecast in Ezekiel chapters 1-9, and 22:17-31. Though these chapters had other
fulfillments historically, God has shown me that they have an end time
fulfillment. But more graciously, he
has given proof so that you do not have to take my word for it. The proof I speak of is in Ezekiel 5:9, which
reads: Eze 5:3 Thou shalt also take
thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts. This is marriage terminology, as
used in the account of Ruth and Boaz.
As in the Ezekiel 9 destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., a remnant was
saved by fleeing to the mountains. But
that remnant had been “gathered out” of the apostate Jerusalem based Temple
from A.D. 27 and on, as the first work of Jesus and His disciples. In Ezekiel 5:1-3, the apostate
church is destroyed and led captive by Nebuchadnezzar, but a remnant is
saved. But was that the worst thing
that God every permitted to happen to His professed people OR WILL EVER AGAIN
permit? Were the abominations of the
apostate Jews worse than the abominations of professing Seventh-day
Adventists at the end-time? Eze 5:9 And I will do in thee
that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like,
because of all thine abominations. When does God do the worst thing
He EVER does? Was it when
Nebuchadnezzar took the Jews captive, or is it at the end-time when God
administers His “strange act?” Mat 24:21 For then shall be
great tribulation, such as was not
since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
What you have just witnessed is
a reapplication of Ezekiel, chapters 1-9, to the end-time, for that is when
God does the worst thing he EVER does.
Does Ellen White say that Ezekiel 9 will be repeated? Notice: "Study the 9th chapter of Ezekiel. These words will be literally fulfilled yet the
time is passing, and the people are asleep. They refuse to humble their souls
and to be converted. Not a great while longer will the Lord bear with the people who have such great and
important truths revealed to them, but who refuse to bring these
truths into their individual experience. The time is short. God is calling
will YOU hear? Will YOU receive His message? Will YOU be converted before it
is too late? Soon, very soon, every case will be decided for eternity. Letter
106, 1909, pp. 2, 3, 5, 7. (To "The churches in Oakland and Berkeley,
September 26, 1909.)" E. G. White Manuscript Releases Volume One, p.
260. "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ
and the apostles. They came out and
separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther
and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted
it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was
bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the
priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been
instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message,
and to gather out those who should carry the gospel to all nations.” E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. Clark Floyd later speaks of Jesus purifying the temple and that
He would thus purify the SDA church.
You have just read (above) as to how Jesus purified His bride. Who do you believe, Clark Floyd, or Ellen
G. White? What do you believe? Historical fact, Scripture, or Clark Floyd’s
misinterpretation and/or perversion of the purification of the Temple? You see, God says in Isaiah 62:10-12, that His watchmen are ALL
ignorant and cannot understand what I just showed you above. Do you believe God? That is why all the so-called intra-church
independent ministries, which are led by such “watchmen,” cannot understand
and actually do not want to understand because of their greed. All of them have glossy catalogs filled
with wares they can only sell to SDA’s, so Jesus’ purification of the Temple,
did not stop the temple being used as a house of merchandise, and the same is
true today with professing Seventh-day Adventism. Recall that Ellen White reapplies Isaiah
62:10-12, in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211, and in the following statement: "The Bible for Our Time.--Never are we absent from the mind
of God. God is our joy and our salvation. Each of the ancient prophets spoke less for their own time than
for ours, so that their prophesying is in force for us. 'Now all
these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our
admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come' (1 Cor. 10:11). 'Not
unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now
reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the
Holy Ghost sent down from heaven which things the angels desire to look into'
(1 Peter 1:12).'" E.G. White, Selected Messages, vol. 3, p. 338. In
Zechariah 6:1–8, we have a prophecy that was given in the form of a parable.
(“All these Ron’s
Commentary: The two mountains are the
church militant and the church triumphant.
In Christ’s day, there were two such mountains, both referred to as
“Jerusalem,” and both indeed were headquartered in the city of
Jerusalem. Remember this distinction
regarding the two Jerusalem’s, for Clark Floyd totally misinterprets this
fact. “And I
turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came four
chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of Deciphering
the Symbols Mountains:
As we look at Mountain
is clearly used in Ron’s
Commentary: Floyd is correct in
interpreting the two mountains as God’s church, but makes the hugely colossal
mistake of lumping them into ONE CHURCH—ZION THE MIDST OF JERUSALEM. Thus he makes the “great mistake” Ellen
White warned of: "Those who think that the church militant is the church
triumphant make a great mistake." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152. Floyd’s
article we are reviewing is entitled The Church Militant and the Church
Triumphant. He makes the “great
mistake” of believing that the church militant is purged and purified to
become the SDA church triumphant, and that is one of the most commonly
believed cherished errors of professing Seventh-day Adventists TODAY! They believe that the bad will be shaken
out of the SDA church militant to leave it the purged and purified SDA Church
triumphant. That could not be further
from the truth. The
same author of Ezekiel chapters 1-9, tells us where the tares are shaken
into, and who shakes them there. They
are shaken into the church militant and burned and melted there, just as in
the PREFIGURE TYPE of A.D. 70. Who
shook them there? Jesus, His disciples
and their followers shook all the tares into the apostate church and it was
burned. They burned and melted there!
Ellen White called that debacle experience a PREFIGURE, The Great Controversy, p. 25. Did
Ezekiel predict that very thing, blow by blow, centuries before it
happened? Let’s find out! Here is Ezekiel 20 on the Ezekiel 20
I would
especially call your attention to the underlined parts for it is that part
that designates the CHURCH TRIUMPHANT.
34 And I will bring you out from the
people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are
scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury
poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the
people, and there will I plead with you face to face. 36
Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37 And I will cause
you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the
covenant: 38 And I will purge out from among you the
rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out
of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of
Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. The
Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ will “gather out” a small remnant from the
church. He will take them into the
wilderness in the time of trouble. He
will bring them in full bond to His covenant.
Ellen White mentioned outposts.
The final message will go from those outposts. This “gathered out” remnant is the SDA
Church Triumphant. The rebels are
purged from this church triumphant (the church in heaven) by her shaking
message from wilderness outposts. The
Holy Spirit will magnify and spread the message like wild-fire. This is the church from and by which the
bad are shaken. The bad may never have
been a member of this church, but they are shaken out anyway by their
rejection of the Loud Cry message given by the True Jerusalem Seventh-day Adventist Church
Triumphant, soon to be named and crowned the New Jerusalem. This
scenario is repeated again in Matthew 13: 47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea,
and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full,
they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but
cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the
world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among
the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire:
there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 51 Jesus saith unto
them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the
kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which
bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. Clearly,
the wicked are severed from the just—earthly representatives of the heavenly
church triumphant Zion of Hebrews 12:22, 23, or the third angel which
represents faithful men. It is from
that heavenly church TRIUMPHANT and by representatives of that church
TRIUMPHANT ONLY from which the bad are shaken and no earthly organized church
militant. Never,
in the history of the earth, has any church militant been purged and purified
by shaking out its bad! Not once! Don’t make that great mistake made by SDA’s
and the Jews of old—that of thinking “the temple of the Lord are these, the
temple of the Lord are these.” God’s
temple always consists of a few in number—remnant. Faithful
men are faithful men are faithful men—the church triumphant. Always remember: “The angel
represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who,
obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word,
proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth.” E.G. White, The Spirit of
Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great
Controversy, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH TESTIMONIES, VOL 4]. "I was shown that the THIRD ANGEL, proclaiming the
commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, represents the PEOPLE who
receive this message and raise the voice in warning to the world."
Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, 77. "Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to
prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing
work in the great plan of man's redemption. He beheld an angel flying 'in the
midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell
on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his
Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea,
and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.]. The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this
message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who,
obedient to the promptings of God's Spirit and the teachings of his word,
proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to
be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to
preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN
therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: 'But
ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a
thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are
not of the night nor of darkness' [1 Thess. 5:4, 5]. E.G. White, The Spirit
of Prophecy, Vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great
Controversy, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH TESTIMONIES, VOL 4]. "The members of the church
triumphant--the church in heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the
members of the church militant, to aid them in their necessity." E. G.
White, The Southern Watchman, Sep. 8, 1903. The
members of the church triumphant are members of the church in heaven and it
is from that church, that gospel net (Matt. 13:47-52) that the bad are shaken
at the end time by a shaking message given by the third angel church
triumphant of heaven—faithful men: "Characteristics
of True Reformers.--Here [Isa. 8:11-14] are given the characteristics of
those who shall be reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel’s
message, these who avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who
honor God, and are earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in
building up the old waste places. Who
is it that calls [awakens] them, The repairer of the breach, The
restorers of paths to dwell in? It
is God. Their names are
registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in heaven as reformers, restorers,
as raising the foundations of many generations." E. G. White, SDA
Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151. God
awakens the bride, the third angel, "Lingering near the bride's house [not at it] are ten young
women robed in white. Each carries a lighted lamp and a small flagon for oil.
All are anxiously watching for the appearance of the bridegroom. But there is
a delay [the tarrying time since 1844]. Hour after hour passes the
watchers become weary and fall asleep. At midnight the cry is heard,
'Behold, the bridegroom cometh go ye out to meet him.' The sleepers [all
the virgins slept—Matt. 25], suddenly awaking, spring to their feet. They
see the procession moving on, bright with torches and glad with music. They
hear the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride." E.
G. White, Christ's Object Lessons, 405, 406. The bride, the third angel, is the true watchmen of Isaiah 62
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar
in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon
him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new
Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write
upon him my new name. Rev. 3:12. Jesus
gathered OUT from the people of Isa
37:31 And the remnant that is
escaped of the house of Isa
37:32 For out of “Said
my Guide, "There is much light yet to shine forth from the law of God
and the gospel of righteousness. This message, understood in its true
character, and proclaimed in the Spirit, will lighten the earth with its
glory. The great decisive question is to be brought before all nations,
tongues, and peoples. The closing work of the third angel's message will be
attended with a power that will send the rays of the Sun of Righteousness
into all the highways and byways of life, and decisions will be made for
God." --Ms 15, 1888, p. 5. (To "Dear Brethren Assembled at General
Conference," Nov. 1, 1888.) Released July, 1958. {2MR 58.2} The Church Triumphant has Existed in
Every Generation There
is additional proof perfect that the church militant is not purged to become
the church triumphant. The church triumphant has existed in every generation
to come to the aid of members of the church militant if they will accept that
aid: "The members of the church triumphant--the church in
heaven--will be permitted to draw near to the members of the church militant,
to aid them in their necessity." E. G. White, The Southern Watchman,
Sep. 8, 1903. The members of the church triumphant in heaven are those who
follow Jesus by faith into the “Many who embraced the third message had not had an experience in
the two former messages. Satan
understood this, and his evil eye was upon them to overthrow them; but the
third angel was pointing them to the most holy place, and those who had had
an experience in the past messages were pointing them the way to the heavenly
sanctuary. Many saw the perfect chain
of truth in the angels’ messages, and gladly received them in their order, and
followed Jesus by faith into the heavenly sanctuary. These messages were represented to me as an
anchor to the people of God. Those who
understand and receive them will be kept from being swept away by the many
delusions of Satan.” E.G. White, Early
Writings, p. 256. "The church is God's fortress, his city of refuge, which he
holds in a revolted world. Any betrayal of her sacred trust is treachery to him
who has bought her with the precious blood of his only begotten Son. In the
past, faithful souls have constituted the church on earth, and God has taken
them into covenant relation with himself, uniting the church on earth with
the church in heaven. He has sent forth his holy angels to minister to his
church, and the gates of hell have not been able to prevail against it."
E. G. White, Review and Herald , 12-04-1900. Friend
of mine, this is the information that you need to help every professing
Seventh-day Adventist understand, for their leaders will NEVER understand
and/or teach this life saving knowledge, and God says that HIS PEOPLE perish
for a lack of knowledge: All of
this knowledge is so critical to understanding the role of the church
militant versus that of the church triumphant and the proper response to any
church militant that should apostatize and “remove God,” as Ellen White said
the SDA church would do as an act of the Omega of Apostasy, Selected Messages, Bk. 1, 204-5. The very
least you can do is to support this ministry that is teaching this imperative
truth and spreading it via the Internet around the world, and print out this
study and give it to all your SDA friends.
Our ministry has already gone into nearly every country of the world. But
here in Zechariah we have Brass:
The first definition
given These
two brass mountains “And
when the day of Pentecost Ron’s
Commentary: It is not accurate that
there was NEVER a time of the Old Testament brass mountain church when it was
not pure. On the typical Day of
Atonements, It is
so critical to cite exactly how Christ responded to "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ
and the apostles. They came out and
separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther
and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted
it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was
bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the
priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been
instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message,
and to gather out those who
should carry the gospel to all nations.”
E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. Why
would Christ respond any differently to the SDA church? The
only other time that the Ron’s
Commentary: The implication of Floyd
is that the SDA church will become pure.
That is not the case. A small
remnant who escape from the apostate SDA church militant will be purified
because they refuse to follow the church into apostasy. “Clad
in the armor of Christ’s Ron’s Commentary: But
always remember: The mighty army with banners, moving in exact order of
unity, is ALWAYS the church triumphant.
If you will look in Selected Messages, Bk. 2, p. 396 and on, you will
see how the church militant has made the GREAT MISTAKE of taking all the
statements Ellen White applied to the CHURCH TRIUMPHANT and applying them to
itself, the church militant. Notice in
the fourth paragraph of page 397, that she states the following qualifying
words: “Evil angels seek in every way to discourage those who are
striving for victory over sin.” "Those who think that the church militant is the church triumphant
make a great mistake." E.G. White, The Upward Look, 152. Ellen White said that the Omega of Apostasy would develop and
grow stronger until Jesus comes and that nothing would be allowed to stand in
its way! If the church was EVER
reformed, then that reform would “stand in the way of the new movement!” “Nothing would be
allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is
better than vice, but God being
removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which,
without God, is worthless. Their
foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure.” E.G. White, Selected Messages, Bk.
1, 205. In the context of the above statement, discussing the Omega of
Apostasy, Ellen White said: "One thing it is certain is soon to be realized, the great apostasy, which is developing
and increasing and waxing stronger, and will continue to do so until the
Lord shall descend from heaven with a shout. We are to hold fast the
first principles of our denominated faith, and go forward from strength to
increased faith. Ever we are to keep the faith that has been substantiated by
the Holy Spirit of God from the earlier events of our experience until the
present time. We need now larger breadth, and deeper, more earnest,
unwavering faith in the leadings of the Holy Spirit. If we needed the
manifest proof of the Holy Spirit's power to confirm truth in the beginning,
after the passing of the time, we need to-day all the evidence in the
confirmation of the truth, when souls are departing from the faith and giving
heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. There must not be any
languishing of soul now." (E.G. White, Special Testimonies, Series B,
No. 7, p. 57). "God has a church. It is not the great cathedral, neither is
it the national establishment, neither is it the various denominations;
it is the people who love God and keep His commandments. 'Where two or
three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them' (Matt.
18:20). Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's church,
for the presence of the High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can
alone constitute a church. Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments
of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth,
in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls." E.G. White,
The Upward Look, 315. "The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to
serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He
took from them the God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as tough he needed any
thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131. Paul
warned us of the time Chariots:
The chariots represent Ron’s Commentary: In light of all the facts I present in this
rebuttal of Clark Floyd’s article, he is taking his above quote totally out
of context. What he is saying in
essence is that we should press our weight in support of the grisled
horses—those who are pushing toward In the fourth chariot were grisled
and bay horses. This means that See who leaves the truth?! It is the grisled horses! They do not leave the chariot—the
church. But they form a New Movement
and head south—toward apostasy— Atheism. Now it is clear that there is a PARTING of
the horses! The grisled go south! The bay go forth to walk to and fro through
the earth giving the message by the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. But there is a distinct separation of the
two. The chariot (church) that at
first held both types of horses, has been abandoned by both the grisled and
the bay and both head in different directions. The foolish virgin Laodiceans—whom
Ellen White says are the foolish virgins, are indeed so foolish in
understanding, that they think that the bad horses are shaken out of the
church to leave it purged and purified!
That is not according to the PREFIGURE of A.D. 27-70, and it is Ellen
White and God who call it a PREFIGURE TYPE, not Ron Beaulieu. You might say: Well the church is still intact. No it is not friend! It is a New Movement that has removed God.
1 SM 204-5. It is no longer a chariot
(church) in any true meaning of the word, for only the presence of God can
constitute a true church: “Where Christ is even among the humble few, this is Christ's
church, for the presence of the
High and Holy One who inhabiteth eternity can alone constitute a church.
Where two or three are present who love and obey the commandments
of God, Jesus there presides, let it be in the desolate place of the earth,
in the wilderness, in the city enclosed in prison walls." E.G. White, The
Upward Look, 315. It is now the Synagogue of Satan,
just as the apostate Jewish church was so designated by Christ. The church has changed leaders and knows it
not. Ellen White predicted that also: "There is manifested on the
part of men in responsible positions an unwillingness to confess where they
have been in the wrong and their neglect is working disaster, not only to
themselves, but to the churches....You will be left to make mistakes of a
similar character, you will continue to lack wisdom, and will can sin righteousness and righteousness sin. The
multitude of deceptions that will
prevail in these last days will encircle you, and you will change leaders, and not know
that you have done so." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 2,
448. Notice the non-conditionality of
the statement. That statement is a
positive, unconditional prophesying and it has come true. But the foolish virgin church has not the
spiritual discernment to see it. That
is why Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of
me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that
thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with
eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Ellen White prophesied that the
Omega of Apostasy would develop and wax stronger until Jesus comes. What then?!
That is when and where the PREFIGURE of the Jews, dating from the
beginning of Christ’s ministry in A.D. 27, to the destruction of Why is it that Clark Floyd could
not see these things? Why is it that
Ron Spear, his mentor could not see this?
Because they are Laodiceans teaching that we should support the
Laodicean chariot—the Synagogue of Satan.
Zec 6:6 The black horses which [are] therein go forth into the
north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth
toward the south country. Zec 6:7 And the bay went
forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth:
and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked
to and fro through the earth. "The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to
serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He
took from them the God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as tough he needed any
thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131. "If we turn from the testimony of God's word, and accept
false doctrines [Calvinism] because our fathers taught them, we fall under
the condemnation pronounced upon "It is now the duty of God's commandment--keeping people to
watch and pray, to search the Scriptures diligently, to hide the Word of God
in the heart, lest they sin against Him in idolatrous thoughts and debasing
practices, and the church of God become demoralized like the fallen churches
whom prophecy represents as being filled with every unclean and hateful
bird." E. G. White, Review and Herald, May 17, 1887. Horses:
But what about the Ron’s
Commentary: Dear friend, the speckled
horses of Zechariah 1:8-11, ARE NOT the same as the grisled horses of Zechariah
6:1-8. Clark Floyd has added the word
(grisled) to the verse. The marginal
reference for the word speckled in Zechariah 1:8, is “Or bay.” That verse refers to the bay horses and the
red and white is symbolic of the martyrs who will be killed for the sake of
the truth during the time of trouble and the white symbolizes the white robes
of the 144,000 saints who are translated without seeing death. When Mr. Floyd adds the word grisled to the
verse, he confuses the grisled horses with the bay, lumping them together,
contradicting the fact that the grisled go south toward In
Zechariah 10:3 we read, Finally,
“The spasmodic, fitful Thus we
conclude that the The
first horse is red. Red can The red
horses and chariot represent The black
horses and chariot These two brass mountains There
were many people The white
horses and Ron’s
Commentary: The
In
Revelation 3:7–12 the church We note
that those that go After the One set
of horses is grisled— Ron’s Commentary: Ellen White said that the church was worse than "And thou, This
set of grisled horses is leading Ron’s Commentary: Virtual
atheists—SDA Bible Commentary on Isaiah 29:16: Isa 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be
esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He
made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no
understanding? 16. “Upside down. They were attempting, as it were, to
have the potter take orders from the clay.
They regarded themselves as having wisdom greater than that of the
Creator. These spiritual leaders
were virtual atheists, who masqueraded under the guise of religion.”
SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, p. 216. Ellen White said in over 100 statements that SDAs are repeating
the history of Speaking
of the Seventh day Ron’s
Commentary: Worse than Now
please note that there is Ron’s
Commentary: Something does happen
alright! "If the "Among the professed followers of Christ, there is the same
pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and OPPRESSION, that existed in the
Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches from the Life of Paul, 251-252. "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They
are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image
worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies,
vol. 2, 441-442. "We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of "Now it is just EXACTLY as in the days of the Jews. When a
message came in, why all the power of the leaders [such some leaders on this
forum] WAS PUT AGAINST IT, THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE. Now,
brethren, GO TO GOD FOR YOURSELVES, and on your knees plead with God...If God
sends us light, let it come to us, and let no man close the door, or try to
close it. Don't close it yourselves. Open the door of your heart and let the
brilliant rays of light shine into your heart and into your mind. I pray you,
let the Sun of Righteousness in." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #900,
Manuscript 9, 1890. 1888 Materials, p. 541. There
is a second set of horses Ron’s
Commentary: Preposterous! Totally contrary to the PREFIGURE taught by
Ellen G. White and Scripture! Floyd
contradicts his own SDA leaders who said that the thorns (open sinners) make
it impossible for the wheat to mature!
And who could deny that apostasy to the degree that the church removes
God and goes to Egyptian atheism is open sin?! How has
the church gone toward atheism? It’s
leaders, even General Conference Presidents, like Neal C. Wilson, have taught
against the six day creation week, saying that it was more like 13,000 years
or so! Atheism is attested to by
disbelief that teaches contrary to God. Neal C.
Wilson also betrayed the Everlasting Gospel of the three angel’s messages
when he said in court: "Although it is true that there was a period in the life of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church when the denomination took a distinctly
anti-Roman Catholic viewpoint...that attitude on the church's part was
nothing more than a manifestation of widespread anti-popery among
conservative Protestant denominations in the early part of this century and
the latter part of the last, and
which has now been consigned to the historical trash heap so far as the
Seventh-day Adventist Church is concerned." (Neal C. Wilson,
past president of the Seventh-day Adventist General Conference, Court
Transcript of United States vs. the Seventh-day Adventist Church, Equal
Employment Opportunity Commission vs. the Pacific Press Publishing
Association and the General Conference, Reply Brief for Defendants, p 4,
Civil Case #74-2025 CBR, presided over by Judge Charles B. Renfrew, U.S.
District Court, San Francisco, California, 1974-1975.) The above statement is a betrayal of sacred trust that has never
been repented of. What then ensued: "The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him.
When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life. He took from them
the God is not 'worshipped with men's hands, as tough he needed any
thing' (Acts 17:25). E. G. White, The Upward Look, 131. "The
church is God's fortress, his city of refuge, which he holds in a revolted
world. Any betrayal of her sacred trust is treachery to him
who has bought her with the precious blood of his only begotten Son. In the
past, faithful souls have constituted the
church on earth, and God has taken them into covenant relation with himself, uniting
the church on earth with the church in heaven. He has sent forth his holy
angels to minister to his church, and the gates of hell have not been able to
prevail against it." E. G. White, Review and Herald , 12-04-1900. The
gates of hell will not prevail against faithful souls! It is they who are united with the church
in heaven. If it
were possible for the “bay” horses to co-exist WITHIN the same church as the
“grisled” horses who have removed God by Omega Apostasy, then we should all
return to "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They
are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image
worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies,
vol. 2, 441-442. If the bay
horse can co-exist WITHIN the church with the grisled horse after it heads
towards Also,
if one wants to consider the grisled horse as being the tares, then we could
have co-existed with such tares in "Christ has plainly taught that those who persist in open
sin must be separated from the church..." Christ's Object Lessons,
71. Christ plainly taught such separation by precept and EXAMPLE as well
as by command in Isaiah 8:9-13, the three angel’s messages, and the following
admonition: 2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing];
and I will receive you, "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ
and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of
forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed
religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. Thorns are OPEN SINNERS. Tares are not OPEN SINNERS. They are
insincere types whose motives we would have to judge in order to expel or
pull them up from the
wheat. But the thorns are quite another issue, and when they spring up, it
they are not either reformed or expelled from the church, it is impossible
for the wheat to mature. So what must the wheat do in order to mature? Leave
the thorns. This is precisely what Jesus and His disciples did, Desire of
Ages, 232. Separation in the Alpha of Apostasy in the Seventh-day Adventist Church—Precedent for Separation into Home Churches The context of the following statement was the time of the Alpha
of Apostasy in the church. What in the
world would Ellen White do in the Omega?
The answer to that question is a well kept secret at the White
Estate! But we still have enough
evidence to know what to do. We have
Jesus’ example in gathering out His followers from an apostate church. That
is sufficient. And we have Ellen
White’s instruction that what occurred with the Jews A.D. 27-70, was a
PREFIGURE. Nothing could be safer to
follow! "There is a little hope in one direction: Take the young men
and women, and place them where they will come as little in contact with our
churches as possible, that the low grade of piety which is current in this
day shall not leaven their ideas of what it means to be a Christian." E.G. White to Brother Haskell,
Manuscript Release #995, p. 5. "Brother and sister Haskell have rented a house in one of
the best parts of the city, and have gathered round them a family of helpers,
who day by day go out giving Bible readings, selling our papers, and doing
medical missionary work. During the hour of worship, the workers relate their
experiences. Bible studies are regularly conducted in the home, and THE YOUNG
MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN connected with the mission receive a practical, thorough
training in holding Bible readings and in selling our publications. The Lord
has blessed their labors, a number have embraced the truth, and many others
are deeply interested." Review and Herald, September 7, 1905,
Evangelism, p. 108. "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They
are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen, graven-image
worshippers who have had no knowledge of a better way." Testimonies,
vol. 2, 441-442. Again,
Floyd has missed the fact that the horses remained in the same chariot for a
time, and then went in separate directions.
A chariot cannot separate and go in two different directions and
remain a complete chariot (church).
Especially when a church commits Omega Apostasy and removes God. And, if the grisled horses going south
leaves the bay horse church purged and purified, why is Ezekiel 9 literally fulfilled
within its ONCE Jerusalem borders? Concerning
the church that is alert (the bay horses), consider the following: Isaiah 62
The
watchmen mentioned above are the following True Reformers: "Characteristics
of True Reformers.—Here are given the characteristics of those who shall be
reformers, who will bear the banner of the third angel's message, those who
avow themselves God's commandment-keeping people, and who honor God, and are
earnestly engaged, in the sight of all the universe, in building up the old
waste places. Who is it that calls them, The repairers of the breach, The
restorers of paths to dwell in? It
is God. Their names are registered [written--Heb. 12:22, 23] in
heaven as reformers, restorers, as raising the foundations of many
generations." E. G. White, SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 4, 1151. God’s
Final, Purified Church These
horses seek to “walk to Finally
the command goes forth, Ron’s
Commentary: Ezekiel 20:34-38, tells
exactly how God will purify His church, versus the Synagogue of Satan: 34 And I will bring you out from the
people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are
scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury
poured out. 35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the
people, and there will I plead with you face to face. 36
Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. 37 And I will cause
you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the
covenant: 38 And I will purge out from among you the
rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out
of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of
Israel: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. “God’s
care for His heritage is Ron’s Commentary: If the The use of such quotes (Floyd’s quote above) to sanction
remaining with an apostate church is despotism of the worst kind, and
demonstrates the lengths some will go to sanction their unholy unity with
those who have “removed God.” A full
review of his quotes shows that Ellen White was speaking of faults and
defects rather than a church that was in gross Omega Apostasy. God and Ellen White say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to unite with the
corrupt and remain pure, and that it is impossible for the wheat to mature
under corrupt conditions in the church. "It is impossible for you to unite with those who are
corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14, 15 quoted). God and Christ
and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the corrupt
he will become corrupt." E.G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137. "The thorns of sin will grow in any soil they need no
cultivation but grace must be carefully cultivated. The briers and thorns are
always ready to spring up, and the work of purification must advance
continually.... The thorns that have been cut off but not uprooted grow apace,
until the soul [and/or the church] is overspread with them." E.G. White,
Christ's Object Lessons, p. 50. "The gospel seed often falls among thorns and noxious weeds
and if there is not a moral transformation in the human heart, if old habits
and practices and the former life of sin are not left behind, if the
attributes of Satan are not expelled from the soul, [and/or the church] the
wheat crop will be choked. The thorns will come to be the crop, and will kill
out the wheat." Christ's Object Lessons, p. 50. "Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the
wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In the same way secular interest prevent the
fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23) from reaching maturity. Religion is
relegated to the subordinate position of being only one interest among many.
For lack of cultivation it withers and eventually dies. That which the
thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral transformation (COL 50). To them,
justification is the sum and substance of religion, and they fail to realize
that the Christian life consists essentially in the process known as sanctification--the
process by which evil traits and tendencies are replaced by the perfect
life-pattern of Jesus Christ." SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, 405. Why we Must
Separate From the Thorns if the Church Cannot or Will Not Reform Them For a more thorough treatment of the thorns versus the tares, see
the following document: https://omega77.tripod.com/DiffWTT.htm Thorns sprung up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to
mature. (Luke 8:4-7). In the same way, secular interests often prevent the fruits of
the Spirit from reaching maturity. (Gal. 5:22, 23). Thorns are OPEN SINNERS. Tares are not OPEN SINNERS. They are
insincere types whose motives we would have to judge in order to expel or pull
them up from the wheat. But the thorns are quite another issue, and
when they spring up, it they are not either reformed or expelled from the
church, it is impossible for the wheat to mature. So what must the wheat do
in order to mature? Leave the thorns. This is precisely what Jesus and His disciples did, Desire of Ages, 232, as follows: "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was bent
upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the
temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law,
and turned to another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those
who should carry the gospel to all nations. As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical
authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every
succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal
from Did Folk Leave the Apostate Jewish Church Before Christ Began
Calling Them Out in A.D. 27? Ellen White clearly states in The Great Controversy, p. 25, 1911,
edition, that the destruction of 1) Who left who then? The good left the Bad. 2) Where were the tares gathered? Into the Midst of Jerusalem,
the apostate church, Ezekiel 22:17-31. 3) Was there a primitive revival of the Jewish people? Yes! Where
did it take place? Within the apostate Jewish Church, or outside it?
Obviously outside it, Desire of Ages, 232, or it would not have been
destroyed had the revival occurred inside the Jewish church! 4) Who was True Zion, from whence the sinners was shaken? Was it
the apostate Jewish Organization, or was it from the reformer 5) Did the Jewish people leave the apostate Jewish church long
before persecution began? Yes, the began to leave when Jesus "gathered
out" those who would take the gospel to the world. Desire of Ages, 232,
and even before this according to the following statement by Ellen White: "The recreant priests added licentiousness to the dark
catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by their presence the
tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come into the presence
of a holy God. As the men of The experience of the church in Jer 7:12 But go ye now unto my place which [was] in Shiloh, where
I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my
people Jer 7:14 Therefore will I do unto [this] house, which is called
by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to
your fathers, as I have done to Jer 26:6 Then will I make this house like And what was God’s instruction through Jeremiah concerning the
church of his day? Jer 11:15 What hath my beloved [bride] to do in mine house
[church], [seeing] she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh
[God] is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest
[celebrates]. When the church leaders had formed a conspiracy with God’s
enemies (Jer. 11:9-15), God, through Jeremiah, instructed the people to
separate from the church—His house, and God Himself left it. But what did the church do? It formed a celebration church! This same course of apostasy has been
imbibed by the church today. "The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition
that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and
that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as
the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were
this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth
that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded.
Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained
the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A NEW
ORGANIZATION would be established. Books of a NEW ORDER would be written. A
system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this
system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of
course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing
would be allowed to stand in the way of the NEW MOVEMENT. The leaders would
teach that virtue is better than vice, but GOD BEING REMOVED, they would
place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless.
Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would
sweep away the structure. Who has authority to begin such a [NEW] movement? We have our
Bibles, we have our experience, attested to by the miraculous working of the
Holy Spirit. We have a truth that admits of no compromise. Shall we not repudiate everything that
is not in harmony with this truth? E.G. White, Selected Messages,
vol. 1, 204, 205. "Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date back to Christ
and the apostles. They came out and
separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther
and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted
it as presented by Christ and the apostles." E.G. White, Review and
Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2. "The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's message and was
bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the
priests, the temple, the religious leaders, the people who had been
instructed in the law, and turned to another class to proclaim His message,
and to gather out those who
should carry the gospel to all nations.”
E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232. Christ’s first act of gathering out His disciples from the
apostate church and then forming home churches, was part of the PREFIGURE
that depicted the destruction of The same principle applies at the end-time fleeing: "I saw the nominal church and nominal Adventists,
like Judas, would betray us to the Catholics to obtain their influence to
come against the truth. The saints
then will be an obscure [hidden] people, little known to the Catholics
but the churches and nominal Adventists who know of our faith and customs
(for they hate us on account of the Sabbath, for they could not refute it)
will betray the saints and report them to the Catholics as those who
disregard the institutions of the people that is, that they keep the Sabbath
and disregard Sunday. Then the Catholics bid the Protestants to go forward, and issue a
decree that all who will not observe the first day of the week, instead of
the seventh day, shall be slain. And the Catholics, whose numbers are large,
will stand by the Protestants. The Catholics will give their power to the
image of the beast. And the Protestants will work as their mother worked
before them to destroy the saints. But before their decree bring or bear
fruit, the saints will be delivered by the Voice of God. Then I saw that Jesus'
work in the sanctuary will soon be finished. And after His work there is
finished, He will come to the door of the first apartment, and confess the
sins of The great white cloud I saw was not the holy place, but entirely
separate from the holy and most holy place, entirely separate from the
sanctuary. Then the angel repeated these words, and said, 'This is the time
spoken of in Isaiah. He saw that there was not man, and wondered that there
was no intercessor. He had no mediator between God and man, and these plagues
could be withheld no longer, for Jesus had ceased to plead for Israel, and
they were covered with the covering of the Almighty God, and they could live
in the sight of a holy God, and those who were not covered, the plagues fell
upon them, for they had nothing to shelter or protect them from the wrath of
God." E.G. White, Any teaching that contradicts the Ezekiel 9 PREFIGURE
SCENARIO, is contradicting Ellen White
and SCRIPTURE, because Ezekiel 5:9, proves that Ezekiel 9 is really PRIMARILY
FULFILLED at the end-time when God does the worst thing He has ever done or
will ever do again. The end-time interpretations of the current professing The
question is—Will you be Ron’s
Commentary: The real question is which
“ He
said, "A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. Ye
yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am
sent before Him. He that hath the
bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which
standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice."
John represented himself as the friend who acted as a messenger between
the betrothed parties, preparing the way for the marriage. When the bridegroom had received his
bride, the mission of the friend was fulfilled. He rejoiced in the
happiness of those whose union he had promoted. So John had been called to
direct the people to Jesus, and it was his joy to witness the success of the
Saviour's work. He said, "This my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must
increase, but I must decrease." {DA 179.3} John the
Baptist prepared the bride for Christ—in the person of the disciples. These and their followers who had left the
apostate church of the day were the “bay horses.” They comprised the Church Triumphant. COUNTERPART: "The Lord commanded one of his ancient
servants, 'Pray not thou for this people [Jer. 7:16 and 11:14], neither lift
up cry nor prayer for them neither make intercession to me for I will not
hear thee.' The prophet thus describes the sins which had called forth this
fearful denunciation: 'The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear
rule by their means and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in
the end thereof?' 'From the least of them even unto the greatest of them,
every one is given to covetousness and from the prophet even unto the priest,
every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of
my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace, when there is no peace.' The
apostles declare that this state of things will find its COUNTERPART in the
last days. Many have a form of godliness, but in their daily life deny the
power thereof. They have ceased to be convicted of their sins or alarmed at
their state. They say in their hearts, 'The church is flourishing. Peace and
spiritual prosperity are within her borders.' The words of the prophet may
well apply to these self-deceivers, 'They have chosen their own ways, and
their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their
delusions, and will bring their fears upon them." E. G. White,
Second Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, 11-07-82. COUNTERPART: "In the time of the Saviour, the Jews had so
covered over the precious jewels of truth with the rubbish of tradition and
fable, that it was impossible to distinguish the true from the false. The
Saviour came to clear away the rubbish of superstition and long-cherished
errors, and to set the jewels of God's word in the framework of truth. What
would the Saviour do if he should come to us now as he did to the Jews? He
would have to do a similar work in clearing away the rubbish of tradition and
ceremony. The Jews were greatly disturbed when he did this work [As are SDAs
today!]. They had lost sight of the original truth of God, but Christ brought
it again to view. It is our work to free the precious truths of God from
superstition and error." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2,
308. There is a modern COUNTERPART to the ancient apostate
"chosen people" of God. That modern COUNTERPART is the people who
claim to be the modern "chosen people" of God, the remnant, if you
will. There are over 100 statements to the affect that SDAs are
repeating the history of ancient "I have been shown that the spirit of the world is fast
leavening the church. You are following the same path as did ancient "Like ancient "Among the professed followers of Christ, there is the same
pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, and OPPRESSION, that existed in the
Jewish nation." E.G. White, Sketches from the Life of Paul, 251-252. "God's professed people are selfish and self-caring....They
are idolaters, and are worse, in the sight of God, than the heathen,
graven-image worshipers who have had no knowledge of a better way."
Testimonies, vol. 2, 441-442. Am I remiss in observing (reasoning) that worse than heathen,
graven-image worshippers, means worse than No, let it not be said by anyone that Ron Beaulieu has said that
the church is spiritual Ellen White said we are never to unite with unbelievers in
business partnership, let alone the great Whore of Babylon! However, I concur
with Ellen White that the church could and indeed has become the cage of
every unclean and hateful bird, language that is distinctly applied to Since there are only two masters, there is not much consolation
to being worse than "If the If "We must as a people arouse and cleanse the camp of "Now it is just EXACTLY as in the days of the Jews. When a
message came in, why all the power of the leaders [such some leaders on this
forum] WAS PUT AGAINST IT, THAT IT SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE. Now,
brethren, GO TO GOD FOR YOURSELVES, and on your knees plead with God...If God
sends us light, let it come to us, and let no man close the door, or try to
close it. Don't close it yourselves. Open the door of your heart and let the
brilliant rays of light shine into your heart and into your mind. I pray you,
let the Sun of Righteousness in." E.G. White, Manuscript Release #900,
Manuscript 9, 1890. 1888 Materials, p. 541. Clark Floyd is
right about one thing. There is no other church organization such as the "A Firmament of God bless, Ron Beaulieu
Ron’s
Commentary: A full surrender to Jesus
involves a full surrender to all of His instructions and His example. Clark
Floyd and his wife for
Hope International. "A Firmament of Friend, you will see clearly from the following E.G. White
account of the shaking that it is the careless and indifferent who are shaken
out FROM THOSE WHO WERE VICTORIOUS.
Their message is TO LAODICEA from the Church Triumphant. The Shaking Evil angels
crowded around, pressing darkness upon them to shut out Jesus from their
view, that their eyes might be drawn to the darkness that surrounded them,
and thus they be led to distrust God and murmur against Him. Their only
safety was in keeping their eyes directed upward. Angels of God had charge
over His people, and as the poisonous atmosphere of evil angels was pressed
around these anxious ones, the As the praying
ones continued their earnest cries, at times a ray of light from Jesus came
to them, to encourage their hearts and light up their countenances. Some,
I saw, did not participate in this work of agonizing and pleading. They
seemed indifferent and careless. They were not resisting the darkness around
them, and it shut them in like a thick cloud. The angels of God left these
and went to the aid of the earnest, praying ones. I saw angels of God hasten
to the assistance of all who were struggling with all their power to resist
the evil angels and trying to help themselves by calling upon God with
perseverance. But His angels left those who made no effort to help
themselves, and I lost sight of them. {EW 270.1} I asked the
meaning of the shaking I had seen and was shown that it would be caused by
the straight testimony called forth by the counsel of the True Witness to the Laodiceans. This will
have its effect upon the heart of the receiver, and will lead him to exalt
the standard and pour forth the straight truth. Some will not bear this
straight testimony. They will rise up against it, and this is what will cause
a shaking among God's people. {EW 270.2} I saw that the
testimony of the True Witness has not been half heeded. The solemn testimony
upon which the destiny of the church hangs has been lightly esteemed, if not
entirely disregarded. This testimony must
work deep repentance; all who truly receive it will obey it and be
purified. {EW 270.3} Said the angel,
"List ye!" Soon I heard a voice like many musical instruments all
sounding in perfect strains, sweet and harmonious. It surpassed any music I
had ever heard, seeming to be full of mercy, compassion, and elevating, holy
joy. It thrilled through The numbers of this company had lessened.
Some had been shaken out and left by the way. The careless and
indifferent, who did not join with those who prized victory and salvation
enough to perseveringly plead and agonize for it, did not obtain it, and they
were left behind in darkness, and their places were immediately filled by
others taking hold of the truth and coming into the ranks. Evil angels
still pressed around them, but could have no power over them. {EW 271.1} I heard those clothed with the armor
speak forth the truth with great power. It had effect. Many had been bound;
some wives by their husbands, and some children by their parents. The honest
who had been prevented from hearing the truth now eagerly laid hold upon it.
All fear of their relatives was gone, and the truth alone was exalted to
them. They had been hungering and
thirsting for truth; it was dearer and more precious than life. I asked
what had made this great change. An angel answered, "It is the latter rain, the refreshing
from the presence of the Lord, the loud cry of the third angel." Great power was
with these chosen ones. Said the angel, "Look ye!" My attention was
turned to the wicked, or unbelievers. They were all astir. The zeal and power with the people of God
had aroused and enraged them. Confusion, confusion, was on every side. I
saw measures taken against the
company who had the light and power of God. Darkness thickened around
them; yet they stood firm, approved of God, and trusting in Him. I saw them
perplexed; next I heard them crying unto God earnestly. Day and night their
cry ceased not: "Thy will, O God, be done! If it can glorify Thy name, make a way of escape for Thy people!
Deliver us from the heathen around about us. They have appointed us unto
death; but Thine arm can bring salvation." These are all the words which
I can bring to mind. All seemed to have a deep sense of their unworthiness
and manifested entire submission to the will of God; yet, like Jacob, every
one, without an exception, was earnestly pleading and wrestling for
deliverance. {EW 272.1} Soon after they had
commenced their earnest cry, the angels, in sympathy, desired to go to their
deliverance. But a tall, commanding angel suffered them not. He said,
"The will of God is not yet fulfilled. They must drink of the cup. They
must be baptized with the baptism." {EW 272.2} Soon I heard the
voice of God, which shook the heavens and the earth. There was a mighty
earthquake. Buildings were shaken down on every side. I then heard a
triumphant shout of victory, loud, musical, and clear. I looked upon the
company, who, a short time before, were in such distress and bondage. Their
captivity was turned. A glorious light shone upon them. How beautiful they
then looked! All marks of care and weariness were gone, and health and beauty
were seen in every countenance. Their
The Sins of Said the angel,
"Nothing less than the whole armor of righteousness can enable man to
overcome the powers of darkness and retain the victory over them. Satan has
taken full possession of the churches as a body. I saw that since
Jesus left the holy place of the heavenly sanctuary and entered within the
second veil, the churches have been filling up with every unclean and hateful
bird. I saw great iniquity and vileness in the churches; yet their members
profess to be Christians. Their profession, their prayers, and their
exhortations are an abomination in the sight of God. Said the angel,
"God will not smell in their assemblies. Selfishness, fraud, and deceit
are practiced by them without the reprovings of conscience. And over all
these evil traits they throw the cloak of religion." I was shown the
pride of the nominal churches. God is not in their thoughts; their carnal
minds dwell upon themselves; they decorate their poor mortal bodies, and then
look upon themselves with satisfaction and pleasure. Jesus and the angels
look upon them in anger. Said the angel, "Their sins and pride have
reached unto heaven. Their portion is prepared. Justice and judgment have
slumbered long, but will soon awake. Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith
the Lord." The fearful threatenings of the third angel are to be
realized, and all the wicked are to drink of the wrath of God. An innumerable
host of evil angels are spreading over the whole land and crowding the
churches. These agents of Satan look upon the religious bodies All heaven
beholds with indignation human beings, the workmanship of God, reduced by
their fellow men to the lowest depths of degradation and placed on a level
with the brute creation. Professed followers of that dear Saviour whose
compassion was ever moved at the sight of human woe, heartily engage in this
enormous and grievous sin, and deal in slaves and souls of men. Human agony
is carried from place to place and bought and sold. Angels have recorded it
all; it is written in the book. The tears of the pious bondmen and bondwomen,
of fathers, mothers, and children, brothers and sisters, are all bottled up
in heaven. God will restrain His anger but little longer. His wrath burns
against this nation and especially against the religious bodies that have
sanctioned this terrible traffic and have themselves engaged in it. Such
injustice, such oppression, such sufferings, are looked upon with heartless
indifference by many professed followers of the meek and lowly Jesus. And
many of them can themselves inflict, with hateful satisfaction, all this
indescribable agony; and yet they dare to worship God. It is solemn mockery;
Satan exults over it and reproaches Jesus and His angels with such
inconsistency, saying, with hellish triumph, "Such are Christ's
followers!" {EW 275.1} These professed
Christians read of the sufferings of the martyrs, and tears course down their
cheeks. They wonder that men could ever become so hardened as to practice
such cruelty toward their fellow men. Yet those who think and speak thus are
at the same time holding human beings in slavery. And this is not all; they
sever the ties of nature and cruelly oppress their fellow men. They can
inflict most inhuman torture with the same relentless cruelty manifested by I saw that the
slave master [SEE APPENDIX.] will have to answer for the soul of his slave
whom he has kept in ignorance; and the sins of the slave will be visited upon
the master. God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in
ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing
nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes.
But He does the best thing for him that a compassionate God can do. He
permits him to be as if he had not been, while the master must endure the
seven last plagues and then come up in the second resurrection and suffer the
second, most awful death. Then the justice of God will be satisfied.
The Loud Cry Angels were sent
to aid the mighty angel from heaven, and I heard voices which seemed to sound
everywhere, "Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her
sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto
heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." This message seemed to
be an addition to the third message, joining it as the midnight cry joined
the second angel's message in 1844. The glory of God rested upon the The light that
was shed upon the waiting ones penetrated everywhere, and those in the
churches who had any light, who had not heard and rejected the three
messages, obeyed the call and left the fallen churches. Many had come to
years of accountability since these messages had been given, and the light
shone upon them, and they were privileged to choose life or death. Some chose
life and took their stand with those who were looking for their Lord and
keeping all His commandments. The third message was to do its work; all were
to be tested upon it, and the precious ones were to be called out from the
religious bodies. A compelling power moved the honest, while the
manifestation of the power of God brought a fear and restraint upon their
unbelieving relatives and friends so that they dared not, neither had they
the power to, hinder those who felt the work of the Spirit of God upon them.
The last call was carried even to the poor slaves, and the pious among them
poured forth their songs of rapturous joy at the prospect of their happy
deliverance. Their masters could not check them; fear and astonishment kept
them silent. Mighty miracles were wrought, the sick were healed, and signs
and wonders followed the believers. God was in the work, and every saint,
fearless of consequences, followed the convictions of his own conscience and united
with those who were keeping all the commandments of God; and with power they
sounded abroad the third message. I saw that this message will close with
power and strength far exceeding the midnight cry. {EW 278.1} Servants of God,
endowed with power from on high Friends, the church leaders have selected
the following quotes to make SDA’s think that Ellen White left an encouraging
report for the outcome of the SDA church militant. But if Ellen White had done that, she would
have contradicted and contravened Scripture.
Ezekiel 22:17-31 tells where the tares are burned. Ezekiel 9 says where the destruction will
begin for all who will not sigh and cry for the abominations that are IN THE
CHURCH. Ellen White said that Ezekiel
9 will be LITERALLY REPEATED. So when
you read statements like: “Let all be
careful not to make an outcry against the only people who are fulfilling the
description given of the remnant people, who
keep the commandments of God and have faith in Jesus. . . . God has a
distinct people, a church on earth, second to none, but superior to all in
their facilities to teach the truth, to vindicate the law of God. . . . My
brother, if you are teaching that the You had better
know who the remnant people are, and that they will indeed KEEP the
commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus and faith in Jesus. Ellen White said that the church was worse
than It is best that
you discover what all the great abominations are that the church militant is
committing and for which you are to sigh and cry. There is destruction of Jerusalem
associated with Ezekiel 9, so you had better be able to distinguish True Jerusalem
from False Jerusalem—the “grisled horse” church versus the “bay horse” true
Jerusalem that will be the New Jerusalem.
The “bay horse” church now meets in home churches around the world. There are thousands of them the world
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