More Refutation to Brother Marko

On the Church Triumphant

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This document provides additional evidence that proves brother Marko of Switzerland did not rightly divide the full weight of evidence on the issue of the church triumphant. The first two documents are at the following links. Then James King provides additional evidence below.

https://omega77.tripod.com/markoresponse1.htm

https://omega77.tripod.com/markoresponse2.htm

----- Original Message -----

From: James King

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:20 PM

Subject: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Another Error of Marko

Re: Marko's conversation with George, per: https://omega77.tripod.com/markoresponse1.htm

Marko wrote:

bro_marko: let me show you

bro_marko: 1. the SOP NEVER EVER says that Church Triumphant are humans....existings with some other group of humans called church militant...

bro_marko: the church triumphant is the church IN HEAVEN!

bro_marko: it is actually the ANGELS...and not humans here on earth

bro_marko: and this is EXACTLY what Ellen White meant...

James responds:

According to Marko, and his interpretation of what Ellen White supposedly "meant": ONLY ANGELS are the "Church Triumphant".

Now notice these two statements from the pen of Ellen White:

The Church Triumphant.--The work is soon to close. The members of the church militant who have proved faithful will become the church triumphant. -- Letter 32, 1892. {RH, October 12, 1905 par. 22; GCDB, January 29, 1893 par. 5; PM 402.3; Ev 707.1}

Continuing to resist the enemy, we shall constantly gain strength, and finally become the church triumphant. {ST, June 10, 1903 par. 14}

Ellen White is absolutely clear that humans can become members of the "Church Triumphant".

Thus, according to Marko's doctrine, when taken to it's logical conclusion, the only way humans can become members of the "Church Triumphant", would mean that after we die (and assuming we go to heaven), we then become angels.

The scripture is clear: when we go to heaven we will "have a new body", but we will NOT become angels. Not now. Not then. Not ever. In fact, Not once in all the Scripture (the final authority on this subject) or EGW's writings, do you find the slightest hint of a human being becoming an angel.

Furthermore, according Ellen White's own words in GC88 560.3; GC 560.3; and 4SP 377.3; she equates such notions of "people becoming angels" as being " ... lies offered by Satan ... the delusive pretensions of Spiritualism."

We humans do NOT become angels when we get to heaven.

Conclusion:

Marko claims to have "studied deep" into this subject. Marko claims his interpretation is "irrefutable".

It is quite clear that he is errant on both accounts!

James

----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Beaulieu

To: AdventistHotIssues@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [AdventistHotIssues] Re: Another Error of Marko

Brother James,

You wrote: "The scripture is clear: when we go to heaven we will "have a new body", but we will NOT become angels. Not now. Not then. Not ever. In fact, Not once in all the Scripture (the final authority on this subject) or EGW's writings, do you find the slightest hint of a human being becoming an angel. "

Ron responds: We won't become angel's but we will become higher than the angels:

    "The work of redemption involved consequences of which it is difficult for man to have any conception. There was to be imparted to the human being striving for conformity to the divine image an outlay of heaven's treasures, an excellency of power, which would place him higher than the angels who had not fallen. The battle has been fought, the victory won. The controversy between sin and righteousness exalted the Lord of heaven, and established before the saved human family, before the unfallen worlds, before all the host of evil workers, from the greatest to the least, God's holiness, mercy, goodness, and wisdom. Christ's sacrifice exalted the law, proving that it was from the beginning, and would be through all eternity, from everlasting to everlasting." {GCB, October 1, 1899 par. 24} 

All blessings,

Ron