The
Apostate SDA Church Will not be Blotted Out
that
it will not Exist
Part
III A
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In
this Part III A, I have rearranged and added some important items to Part III.
In deciphering the full meaning of the statement by Ellen White, under study,
we will answer some of the issues quickly and spend more time on others that
require such. There are going to be some surprises as we examine the evidence
in-depth. We will discover the resolution between the “apparent” contradictory
statements that appear as comments on the right hand side of this document. The
Ellen White statement we are studying was written in regard to two men (Stanton
and Caldwell) who were calling the church Babylon in 1893. Here is the related
article from Ellen White’s Review and
Herald Articles. Take notice that this letter to Stanton and Caldwell was
written on July 10, 1893. Just two months later, August 1, 1893,
Ellen White penned the statement below the link that the church would be
brought down to hell.
https://omega77.tripod.com/newmovementjoin.htm
“Of those who boast of their light and yet fail to
walk in it Christ says, "But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable
for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment than for you. And thou, Capernaum [Seventh-day Adventists, who
have had great light], which art exalted unto heaven [in point of privilege], shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works which have been done in
thee had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." E.G.
White,--Review and Herald Articles, Aug. 1, 1893. [THE
BRACKETED COMMENTS ARE BY ELLEN WHITE just as they appear in brackets in the original
article].
I’m going to make some quick comments on the
statement under study. Some I have made previously. Some will be new
observations:
The Church Not to Be Broken Up Into Independent Atoms
Note: The Jewish apostate church was not
broken up into independent atoms and neither will the SDA apostate church be
broken-up into independent atoms. However, when the Jewish church committed
gross, strictly forbidden apostasy, God “gathered out” those who would take the
gospel to the world, Desire of Ages,
232. In Jeremiah 11:9-15, we have a case wherein God told Jeremiah not to pray
for his (Jeremiah’s) generation of Jews, and that was centuries before the A.D.
34 general close of probation for the Jews.
We also have the following separation from the
apostate Jewish tabernacle in Shiloh, the first place the Jews settled after
coming out of their forty years in the desert:
"The recreant priests added
licentiousness to the dark catalogue of their crimes yet they still polluted by
their presence the tabernacle of the Lord, and, laden with sin, dared to come
into the presence of a holy God. As the men of Israel witnessed the corrupt
course of the priests, they thought it safer for their families not to come up
to the appointed place of worship. Many went from Shiloh with their peace
disturbed, their indignation aroused, until they at last determined to offer
their sacrifices themselves, concluding that this would be fully as acceptable
to God, as to sanction in any manner the abominations practiced in the Sanctuary."
E.G. White, The Signs of the Times, vol. 1, p. 264, col. 3, December 1,
1881.
Christ left
Jesus
“gathered out” those who were to take the gospel to the world, as one of the
first acts of His ministry in A.D. 27, seven years before the general close of
probation for Israel in A.D. 34. Why? Because He knew that it was impossible
for the wheat to mature and remain/become pure amongst the corrupt open
apostate sinners. Those who maintain otherwise, are directly countermanding God
Almighty. Those who see no necessity in leaving an open sinning apostate church
do not have the spiritual discernment to understand the following admonition of
our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ:
"It is
IMPOSSIBLE for you to unite with those who are corrupt, and still remain pure. (II Corinthians 6:14-15 quoted). God
and Christ and the heavenly host would have men know that if he unites with the
corrupt he will become corrupt." E. G. White, Review and Herald, Vol. 4, p. 137.
I have quite
intelligent acquaintances who see no need to separate. Their attitude is as if
to defy God by saying: You are wrong Lord. I can unite with the corrupt and
remain pure.
"Thorns sprung
up.--The thorns made it impossible for the wheat to mature (see Luke 8:14). In
the same way secular interests prevent the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22, 23)
from reaching maturity. Religion is relegated to the subordinate position of
being only one interest among many. For lack of cultivation it withers and
eventually dies. That which the thorny-ground hearers lack is a moral
transformation. To them, justification is the sum and substance of religion,
and they fail to realize that the Christian life consists essentially in the
process known as sanctification--the process by which evil traits and
tendencies are replaced by the perfect life-pattern of Jesus Christ." Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary,
vol. 5, 405.
"Christ was a protestant...The Reformers date
back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a
religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the
reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the
apostles." E.G. White, Review and Herald, vol. 2, 48, col. 2.
Paul left
"And as they persisted in their rejection of
the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the
space for three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the
kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil
of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the
disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Fearing that the faith of the believers would
be endangered by continued association with these opposers of the truth, Paul
separated from them, and gathered the disciples into a distinct body."
E.G. White, Acts of the Apostles, p. 286.
"The Sanhedrin had rejected Christ's
message and was bent upon His death therefore Jesus departed from Jerusalem, from the priests, the temple, the
religious leaders, the people who had been instructed in the law, and turned to
another class to proclaim His message, and to gather out those who should carry
the gospel to all nations.
As the light and life of men was rejected by the
ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in
every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ's withdrawal
from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they
had no thought of separating themselves from the established church but the
religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were
forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of
the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are
listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it
may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are
forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain
teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are
by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they
may render obedience." E.G. White, Desire of Ages, 232.
"And as they persisted in their rejection of
the gospel the apostle (Paul) went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the
space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the
kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil
of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the
disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." Acts, 19:8, 9.
"Even though you may not be able to speak a
word to those who are working on wrong principles, leave them. Your withdrawal
and silence may do more than words. Nehemiah refused to associate with those
who were untrue to principle, and he would not permit his workmen to associate
with them The love and fear of God were his safeguard-Dare to be a Daniel, Dare
to stand alone. Thus as did Moses, you will endure the seeing of Him who is
invisible. But a cowardly and silent reserve before evil associates, while you
listen to their devices makes you one with them. Come out from among them and
be separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will
receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and
daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." Review & Herald Vol. 4, p.
42.
"Again I
say, The Lord hath not spoken by any messenger who calls the church that
keeps the commandments of God, Babylon. True,
there are tares with the wheat; but Christ
said He would send His angels to first gather the tares and bind them in
bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into the garner. I know that the
Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least
evidence that such a thing will be. Those who
shall heed this false message and try to leaven others will be deceived and
prepared to receive advanced delusions, and they will come to nought.
There is in
some of the members of the church, pride, self-sufficiency, stubborn unbelief, and a
refusing to yield their ideas, although
evidence may be piled upon evidence which makes the message to the Laodicean
church applicable. But that will not
blot out the church that it will not exist. Let both tares and wheat grow together until the harvest. Then it is the angels that do the work of separation.
I warn the Seventh-day Adventist Church to be
careful how you receive every new notion and those who claim to have great
light. The character of their work seems to be to accuse and to tear down." Selected
Messages, Bk. 2, p. 68.
*It is not accusing and tearing down to cite
open sin apostasy and heresy that should be put out of the camp. Our very
sealing is dependent upon sighing and crying for all the abominations IN THE
CHURCH.
*
“Who are standing in the counsel of God at this time? Is it those who
virtually excuse wrongs among the professed people of God, and murmur in their
hearts, if not openly, against those who would reprove sin? It is those who
take their stand against them, and sympathize with those who commit wrong?--No,
indeed! These, unless they repent, and leave the work of Satan in oppressing
those who have the burden of the work, and in holding up the hands of sinners
in Zion, will never receive the mark of God's sealing approval. They will fall
in the general destruction of all the wicked, represented by the five men
bearing slaughter weapons. Mark this
point with care; those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by
the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by the man in linen, are those
"that sigh and cry for all the abominations that are done" in the
church. Their love for purity and the honor and glory of God is such, and
they have so clear a view of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, that they are
represented as being in an agony, even sighing and crying.” {RH, June 8,
1886 par. 2}
*A church whose gross abominations we must
sigh and cry about in order to receive the seal of God, is not the church that
keeps the commandments of God. In the month of July, 1893, the church was
keeping the commandments of God according to Ellen White’s letter to Stanton
and Caldwell. But that did not last for long.
*"No stronger delusion can possess the human mind than that which makes men believe they are on the right foundation, and that God accepts their works, when they are sinning against him. When placed in the furnace fire to be tried by the great Refiner, much that has been esteemed fine gold will be consumed as dross. Can Christ say of his professed followers, These are my peculiar people; I gave myself for them, to redeem them from all iniquity, that they should show forth my praise, who have called them out of darkness into my marvelous light. Would not the Lord say, rather, How is the beautiful city become a harlot, and my Father's house a place of merchandise. Because of your unbelief, I cannot do many mighty works among you." {RH, November 7, 1882 par. 12}
Here
is a link to the times Ellen White called the church a harlot:
https://omega77.tripod.com/harlotstat1.htm
So 11
years before the 1893 letter to Stanton and Caldwell, Ellen White said God
would call the church a harlot. But what is more interesting is that about 6
months after Ellen White’s letter of July 10, 1893, to Stanton and Caldwell,
she called the church a harlot. Notice:
"Hath
a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth
not profit. Be astonished, O ye heavens, at
this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate, saith the Lord. For my people have committed two
evils: they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out
cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water." "For of old time
I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not
transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou
wanderest, playing the harlot. Yet I had planted thee a noble vine,
wholly a right seed; how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a
strange vine unto me? For though thou wash thee with niter [Jer. 2:22 quoted], and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is
marked before me, saith the Lord." {E.G. White, Signs of the Times, October 2, 1893 par. 1}
So the
church did not remain keeping the commandments and heeding the Laodicean
message for long. Be that as it may, it is possible to repent of being
Laodicean (lukewarm). That is not unpardonable sin. Israel still had the
opportunity to repent after she has played the harlot. But I want to deal with
a far more serious issue—that of presenting evidence serious evidence that does
not consist of Laodicean lukewarmness as the following part of the statement
alludes to, but evidence as to how the church has imbibed cold, abominable
apostasy, which is not to be equated with Laodicean lukewarmness whatsoever.
There is in some of the members of the church,
pride,
self-sufficiency, stubborn unbelief, and a refusing to yield their ideas, although evidence may be piled upon
evidence which makes the message to the Laodicean
church applicable.
The evidence I present has nothing to do with
evidence that makes the message to the Laodicean church applicable. The
evidence I present surpasses the lukewarm condition and progresses to cold,
strictly forbidden apostasy. This is a very serious difference. I deal in
conditions wherein God says it is IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature because
open sinning THORNS choke out the wheat and that uniting with the corrupt makes
it impossible to become or remain pure.
I deal with violations of God’s Word that,
according to Ellen White, make it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the Midnight Cry
lighted pathway to heaven. Ellen White said that the Midnight Cry gave power to
the second angel’s message in 1844 called folk out of Babylon, to be a holy,
separate and peculiar people. She said that all in 1844, who heard and
understood that message and rejected it, or later rejected and/or violated it,
found it IMPOSSIBLE to get back on the pathway to heaven. So can SDA’s commit
the very same violation by ecumenical fraternity with Babylon imperviously?
Notice:
"While praying at the
family altar, the Holy Ghost fell on
me, and I seemed to be rising higher and higher, far above the dark
world. I turned to look for the Advent people in the world, but could not find
them--when a voice said to me, 'Look again, and look a little higher.' At this
I raised my eyes and saw a straight and
narrow path cast up high above the world. On this path the Advent people
were traveling to the City, which was at the farther end of the path. They had
a bright light set up behind them at the first end of the path, which an angel
told me was the Midnight Cry. This light shone all along the path,
and gave light for their feet so they might not stumble. And if they kept
their eyes fixed on Jesus, who was just before them, leading them to the City,
they were safe. But soon some grew weary, and they said the City was a great
way of, and they expected to have entered it before. Then Jesus would encourage
them by raising his glorious right arm, and from his arm came a glorious light
which waved over the Advent band, and they shouted Hallelujah! Others rashly
denied the light behind them, and said that it was not God that had led them
out so far. The light behind them went out leaving their feet in perfect
darkness, and they stumbled and got their eyes off the mark and lost sight of
Jesus, and fell off the path down in the dark and wicked world below. It was just as impossible for them to get
on the path again and go to the City, as all the wicked world which God had
rejected. They fell all the way along the path one after another, until we
heard the voice of God like many waters, which gave us the day and hour of
Jesus' coming....
By this time the 144,000 were all sealed and perfectly united. On their
foreheads was written, God, New Jerusalem, and a glorious Star containing
Jesus' new name." E.G. White, Word to the Little Flock, p. 14.
To violate the Midnight Cry and the second angel’s message after
hearing and understanding them, is to commit unpardonable sin. Association,
Counsel/Council, Girding and Confederacy and/or Conspiracy with Babylon after
being called out, is strictly forbidden unpardonable sin. Ellen White was merely
corroborating Isaiah 8:9-13. Nothing more, nothing less. The only option to
breaking such serious commandments is being “broken in pieces.”
This is what Ellen White really meant by "shut door!" Those
who have committed this unpardonable sin have grossly perverted her meaning.
This is a most serious consideration every SDA should weigh heavily before
he/she determines to enter ecumenical relationship with and/or join any of the
fallen churches.
Friends, I do not deal in minor faults and defects such as we all have.
I don’t deal in Laodicean lukewarmness that piles evidence upon evidence that
the church is Laodicean. That would be a lie and flattery. The church has
imbibed serious abominations for which it will be finally destroyed just as
apostate Israel was destroyed for the same violations in principle if not the
same direct acts. If you don’t remember
another point of evidence I present, please remember this crucial fact!
Now this part of the statement:
But that will not
blot out the church that it will not exist. Let both tares and wheat grow together until the harvest. Then it is the angels that do the work of separation.
In the
Laodicean (lukewarm) state of the church, the wheat can mature amongst the
tares, the dross. The reason that is possible is because tares ARE NOT open
sinners, because Ellen White clearly stated that we would have to judge their
motives in order to uproot them, Christ’s
Object Lessons, p.
“Christ has plainly taught
that those who persist in open sin must be separated from the church, but
He has not committed to us the work of judging character and motive. He
knows our nature too well to entrust this work to us. Should we try to uproot from
the church those whom we suppose to be spurious Christians, we should be
sure to make mistakes. Often we regard as hopeless subjects the very ones whom
Christ is drawing to Himself. Were we to deal with these souls according to our
imperfect judgment, it would perhaps extinguish their last hope. Many who think
themselves Christians will at last be found wanting. Many will be in heaven who
their neighbors supposed would never enter there. Man judges from appearance,
but God judges the heart. The tares and the wheat are to grow together until
the harvest; and the harvest is the end of probationary time. {COL 71.3}
Quite obviously, tares are not open sinners
because God says that all who persist in open sin must be separated from the
church because open sin chokes the wheat and makes it impossible for the wheat
to mature. That is the difference between Laodicean lukewarmness and cold, open
sin apostasy and heresy in the church. Again, God has shown me that this differentiation is one of the most crucially
important things I am to warn professing Seventh-day Adventists about.
Unless
we interpret so as to make God and Ellen White false prophets, we CANNOT
interpret the statement under study to mean:
· That the SDA church militant would end-up keeping the
commandments of God, because we are to sigh and cry for all the abominations it
has and is committing. Ellen White plainly says that when the danger and
depression to the church is greatest, which would have to be the time the
National Sunday Law is ENFORCED by no buy and sell and/or a death decree, that
the MEMBERS of the church will be doing after the manner of the world. 5T 209.
· That there would always be ONLY wheat and tares in the
church. If the leaders will NEVER AGAIN show the House of Jacob its sins, then
we can safely and accurately conclude that open sinners will be allowed to
remain in the church. Ellen White and God said that they should be separated
from the church if they will not reform, and God says that the Open Sinning
(corrupt) Thorns make it IMPOSSIBLE for the wheat to mature and become pure. It should not be a
stretch for most 12 year old children to reason that if the leaders will never
again remove open sin from the camp, one would have to unite with the corrupt
to be a member and it is impossible for the wheat to mature and/or remain pure
amongst open sinners.
· What about the
part that says “Christ said He would send His angels to first gather the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but
gather the wheat into the garner.” Do you know who selects the wheat from the
tares? Do you know what the THIRD ANGELS SYMBOLIZES. Ellen White says the THIRD ANGEL symbolizes faithful
men who select the wheat from the tares. Recall how the disciples were told
that whomever they bound on earth would be bound in heaven? How did the “bind”
or “seal” anyone? By straight truth, straight testimony. If a person accepted
and practiced the truth, he/she was sealed (bound) for the heavenly garner,
Heb. 12:22, 23.
· The apostate
church will not be disorganized or broken into atoms any more than the apostate
“chosen people” church of Israel was disorganized and broken into atoms. There
is not the least consistency in that notion, because then apostate Jerusalem
would not be around so that the Ezekiel 9 slaughter could BEGIN AT HIS
SANCTUARY, spiritual, modern-day Jerusalem.
We
need to study the statement under scrutiny very carefully and prayerfully. We
need to look for qualifying words and concepts. I am going to deal with such
implications as:
·
What type of weed
cannot grow with the wheat without killing (choking) it out?
·
Why the church was
not Babylon in Ellen White's lifetime?
·
How Ellen White said
the church could become part of Babylon
·
Ellen White said the
church was worse than Babylon? Why?
·
When Ellen White
advised remaining away from the church in the Alpha of Apostasy.
·
Does Ellen White’s
Statement about the church not being broken-up into independent atoms give the
church an UNCONDITIONAL approval by God to imperviously commit whatever
apostasy it wishes?
·
What Ellen White
would be forced to do today in order to be consistent with God's Word and her
teaching concerning apostasy
·
Where did Ellen
White draw a line in the sand? Why?
·
What commandments of
God go beyond playing the harlot as ancient Israel and modern Israel have so
done?
·
What it means to
MARRY into Satan's confederacy?
·
What constitutes
God's church?
·
When God no longer
considers a professing church as a valid church?
·
Did God close the
probation of some generation(s) of the world before the general close of
probation in A.D. 34, at the stoning of Stephen and the end of the 70 weeks of
Daniel 9:24?
·
Why Ellen White
called the church a harlot at least four times but did not leave the church?
·
Why the church did
not commit unpardonable apostasy in Ellen White's tenure in the church?
·
Did anyone leave apostate Israel centuries BEFORE its
general close of probation in A.D. 34, and if so why?
·
Were there
independent home churches BEFORE the general close of probation for Israel? Did
these home churches break the true church up into independent atoms?
·
Was the SDA church
broken up into independent atoms in the Kellogg Alpha Apostasy when Ellen White
said to keep the youth as far away from the churches as possible?
·
Did faithful Jews
leave the precincts of the Temple to worship at home centuries before the
general close of probation for Israel and why? Did their action break the
church up into atoms and/or make it so that it did not exist?
·
Did Jesus and the
disciples leave apostate Israel BEFORE its general close of probation? If so,
why?
·
Did Jesus’ gathering
out of His disciples BEFORE the general close of Israel’s probation, break up
the “church” into independent atoms?
·
Did the home churches established by the disciples of
Christ, break up the “church” into independent atoms?
·
Did Paul break up
the church into independent atoms when He left the apostate Jewish church AFTER
THREE MONTHS?
·
Was the example of
Christ, His disciples evidence that the same thing might occur in the SDA
church?
·
Did God ever give
ancient or modern spiritual Israel UNCONDITIONAL status as a “chosen people” no
matter what apostasy they should imbibe?
·
Can members of the
church be responsible for corporate unpardonable sin of its leaders? When and
how does such a serious situation accrue?
·
Was there evidence
in 1882, in Testimonies, Vol. 5, p.
207 and the remainder of the chapter, that Laodicea would ultimately fail, and
if so, what is the meaning of Ellen White's statement below that there was not the
least evidence that such a thing would be?
·
Who are the angel’s
who do the work of separation?
·
What causes the
separation?
All of
the above are serious issues that we must explore in-depth lest we be taken in a
snare. We must consider time, place and circumstance and every implication the
Holy Spirit can shed light upon. I will continue by responding to all these
issues.
By way
of a short summary, in Part I and II we learned that:
·
We learned that
there are more to consider than just the TARES and the WHEAT.
·
That THORNS are open
apostasy sins in the church that CHOKE out the wheat and make it impossible for
it to mature. Thus, they are different from tares which consist of insincere
believers whose motives one would have to judge in order to pluck them out of
the church.
·
We learned that the
church was not part of Babylon in Ellen White’s lifetime.
·
We learned that the
true SDA church will indeed continue and will not be broken up into atoms.
·
We learned that the
apostate SDA church will indeed continue and will not be broken up until it
experiences a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 slaughter and destruction.
·
We learned that the
SDA professing church militant could not be keeping the commandments of God,
because of the very abominations that we are counselled to sigh and cry for.
Abominable violations of God’s Word, His commands, do not constitute
commandment-keeping. The two are incompatible.
·
We learned that
sighing and crying for all the abominations in the church is not classed with
accusing and tearing down IF WE LIMIT OUR SIGHING AND CRYING TO THE GROSS
ABOMINATIONS THAT CONSTITUTE FORBIDDEN APOSTASY.
2.
Issue #2 Our next point of consideration will be the issue as to what Ellen
White meant when she said:
“I know that
the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or
broken up into independent atoms.
There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence
that such a thing will be. Those
who shall heed this false message and try to leaven others will be deceived and
prepared to receive advanced delusions, and they will come to nought.
There is in
some of the members of the church, pride, self-sufficiency, stubborn
unbelief, and a refusing to yield their ideas, although evidence may be
piled upon evidence which makes the message to the Laodicean church
applicable. But that will not blot out the church that it will not exist.
Let both tares and wheat grow together until the
harvest. Then it is the angels that do the work of separation.” Selected Messages, Bk. 2, p. 68.
Do the words: “I know that the Lord loves His church.
It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in
this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will
be” mean:
·
That there would never be another coming out of the SDA church
militant and/or that it could not
ultimately fall?
·
That wheat can dwell with open apostate, sinners?
·
That cold, strictly forbidden apostasy is the same as lukewarm Laodiceanism?
·
That there would never be any possibility that there would be
another coming out of a faithful remnant from the SDA church militant?
·
That there was no prior EVIDENCE stated by Mrs. White that would
necessitate another coming out?
·
That Mrs. White’s PRIOR (1882) statement that Ezekiel 9 will
BEGIN AT HIS SANCTUARY, has nothing to do with another coming out?
·
That Mrs. White’s labelling of the A.D. 70 slaughter of the
Temple and Jerusalem, Chapter 1, The
Great Controversy, p. 25, is not a PREFIGURE, does not constitute a type
for us?
If anyone
interprets Ellen White’s statement under study to mean any of the above, they make Ellen White a self-contradictory
false prophet as soon as they chose to so interpret! All of the following
statements by Ellen White would be patently false if her statement is
interpreted to mean that the church could never fall and that there could never
be another coming out. Ellen White said that all the ancient prophets wrote
more for us than the Jews, and their prophesies are in force for us.
· Isaiah 37:31,
32, says there will be one more coming out. 31 And the remnant that is
escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit
upward: 32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they
that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
· Isaiah 4:1-4 says that seven women (God’s all inclusive
number) and women symbolizes all formally organized churches in Scripture, will
be eating their own bread (their own doctrines and commandments of men), and
wearing their own apparel, (their own robes of self-righteousness). That
condition demands another coming out.
· Ellen White reapplies Matthew 22:1-20 in Sermons and Talks, Vol. 1, pp. 4-9.
Those verses are exactly what happened in Israel, a TYPE of what happened to
God’s servants when giving the truth to the Jews. Verse 7 is the same event as
Ezekiel 9:6. These verses DEMAND another coming out as Ellen White reapplies
those verses directly to our time, especially quoting Matthew 22:7, which is
indeed the same historical event as Ezekiel 9:4-6. I will juxtapose the two
verses below:
4 And the LORD
said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of
Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry
for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. 5 And to
the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and
smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly
old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near
any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary.
7 But when the
king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed
those murderers, and burned up their city. Matt. 22:7.
The Resolution to Mrs. White’s Statement so
that Nothing Contradicts
Most SDA’s
(especially the leaders) have read far too much into Ellen White’s statement to
the point that if they are correct, she obviously would be a false prophet.
First, how have leaders and laity alike read too much into Mrs. White’s
statement?
1)
They
are errantly deduced that the SDA church militant (wheat and tare co-ed church)
has always been the commandment-KEEPING people of God. Is that true? No it is not.
Why? Because Ellen White said that if the church became Laodicean it would be
no more in the favor of God than the fallen churches that are called Babylon,
the cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
2)
The
first statement indicting the church as becoming Laodicean was written by Ellen
White in 1852. We need to note a
number of items of importance from these two disparaging and contradictory
concepts. (comments 1 and 2):
(a)
The
first statement obviously applies to the corporate church becoming Laodicean.
(b) The second statement
appears to apply to individuals. So it is apparent that the entire church can
become Laodicean or it can retain individual Laodiceans. Individual Laodiceans
would be insincere Christians and the church would have to judge their motives
in order to remove them from the church. They are tares.
(c) How does one
identify a Laodicean (lukewarm) church? That is rather easy because Ellen White
said that the Laodicean message applies to all churches including the other
non-SDA churches. The reason it is easy to know whether or not a church is
Laodicean (lukewarm) or not is because gold tried in the fire is defined as faith that works by the self-sacrificing love of Christ. Then God tells
us that if we love Him and
the brethren, we will keep all of His commandments. Is it
difficult to tell whether or not a church is KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF God?
Are we given license to JUDGE whether or not a church is keeping the
commandments of God and the Testimony of Jesus Christ? Yes, Isaiah 8:20
admonishes us to make that JUDGMENT.
Every person who has or ever will become a professing Seventh-day Adventist
makes that JUDGMENT. So a church that is not keeping His commandments out of a
motive of faith that works by the self-sacrificing love of Christ in the heart
is a lukewarm church.
(d)
The
SDA church was in and out of the Laodicean state at least once from 1852, until
Ellen White’s death. In her letter to Stanton and Caldwell, the men who ran
ahead of the angel and called the church Babylon in 1893, were rebuked by Mrs.
White’s statement to them that the church was receiving a refreshing from the
Lord at that time. She said the church was then keeping the commandments of God
and heeding the Laodicean message. So those are the requisites for not being
Laodicean and the one is contingent upon the other.
(e) A church that is
not only disobeying God’s commandments but has formed a conspiracy or
confederation with God’s enemies, thereby becomes cold apostate. That is God’s
line in the sand. Jeremiah 11:9-15 defines such a condition and God’s
pronouncement against such a church, a people, is so final that He instructed
Jeremiah not to even pray for them. Did Ellen White say that there would be a
COUNTERPART church that paralleled the Jewish cold apostate church?
(f) Cold (alpha or
omega) apostasy is not Laodiceanism or mere lukewarmness (neither hot or cold).
So what is the
resolution?
Let’s apply the
same statement, under study, to fallen apostate Israel, God’s first “chosen
people” and maybe some lights will quickly turn on for you. Correct answers to
these questions should correct the thinking of every honest SDA concerning her
statement:
·
Did God love the Jewish church, His first “chosen people.”
·
Did that people KEEP His commandments?
·
Did Ellen White write in 1882, in Testimonies, Vol. 5, 211
that Ezekiel 9 would BEGIN AT HIS SANCTUARY, the House of Jacob and that
the leaders would teach only peace and safety and NEVER AGAIN show God’s
people their sins. Would that violate God’s command in Isaiah 58:1? [See the Table of Contents in the flyleaf
of Vol. 5 for the year the Seal of God chapter was written].
·
The Selected Messages,
Bk. 2 statement that we are studying, was written in 1893 to Stanton and Caldwell. Testimonies, Vol. 5, was written in 1882. Was that PRIOR
EVIDENCE that there would be another coming?
·
Ellen White called the words of Jesus to His disciples
concerning destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, a PREFIGURE that was twofold in
nature: 1. His words prefigured the destruction of Jerusalem [Josephus says
that the destruction began at the Temple and progressed to the city and then
surrounding areas]. 2. His words prefigured the destruction of the world at the
end-time.
·
If the words of Jesus to His disciples (Chapter 1, The Great Controversy), were a prefigure
(type), and there was a coming out to avoid the destruction and slaughter in
the TYPE, would that demand another coming out in a “to the letter” LITERAL
fulfillment of Ezekiel 9 at the end-time, as prophesied by Ellen White?
·
Did the Jewish leaders commit abominations for which the Jews
were to sigh and cry?
·
How does the committing of abominations constitute the keeping
of God’s commandments? Is there a big problem here?
·
Did the tares dwell with the wheat in that church until it was
destroyed in A.D. 70, in an Ezekiel 9 slaughter and destruction of the Temple
first and then the city proper?
·
Did Jesus gather out His disciples in A.D. 27 as the first act
of His ministry, Desire of Ages, 232?
·
Did Paul leave to protect his followers?
·
Were home churches formed all over Judea?
·
Who bound the tares for burning? Were the disciples told that
whomever they bound on earth would be bound in heaven?
God certainly
loves His church. He loved the Jewish apostate church and gave them time to put
away their harlotry until they committed conspiracy (confederacy) with His
enemies and thereby married into the Synagogue of Satan. He did the same with
professing Seventh-day Adventism before they crossed God’s lines in the sand
which involve strictly forbidden acts that constitute ASSOCIATION,
COUNSEL/COUNCIL, GIRDING AND CONFEDERACY/CONSPIRACY with His enemies which He
has always referred to as Babylon.
Should God give
Adventists 490 years as He gave Israel to put away their sins? God will not
give us that long because we have the example of Israel.
There are other
factors that you should be aware of. God did not give all Jews 490 years. He
judged them on a generational basis as well in some cases. I think of a number
of examples:
· Korah, Dathan
and Abiram and party where about 14,700 were killed.
· The golden calf
incident where about 3,000 were killed.
· Jeremiah
11:9-15 where God said not to pray for that generation of Jews, which was
centuries before the probation of Israel ended in A.D. 34, at the end of the 70
weeks and marked also by the stoning of Stephen.
Isaiah 8:9-13
makes it clear that there is only one option to violating that counsel that is
repeated there three times—“broken in pieces.” The professing SDA church has
violated that counsel in the following ways. After the Evangelical Conferences
between the SDA church leaders and Dr. Walter Martin and Donald Grey Barnhouse
in the mid-to latter 1950’s, the church was challenged by those men to
demonstrate their Evangelicalness and brotherhood with the other churches. The
SDA church then proceeded to:
· Conduct joint
Easter Sunrise services with Babylon.
· Join Babylon’s
Ministerial Associations, which are a localized arm of the World Council
of Churches. I called the National Council of Churches in Canada to confirm
that fact.
· Join National
Council’s of Churches around the world. The Adventist
Review reported in the latter 1980’s to early 1990’s that it had been a
MEMBER of the National Council of Churches in Hungary, called The Hungarian
Council of Free Churches, FOR 30 YEARS PRIOR! That would date its MEMBERSHIP
from about the same time Martin and Barnhouse were challenging the SDA church
to prove their brotherhood with the other churches, which Ellen White says are
fallen; are led by Satan as a body, and are indistinguishable from the world. Early Writings, p. 273.
· In the latter
1980’s I sent to the World Council of Churches for its publication called Directory to Christian Councils, (now
out of print). I ordered 12 copies for my church group. In that publication,
the SDA church is listed as FULL MEMBERS in 5 different countries of the world,
and the last page 244, says that the WWC is in “working relationship with the
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists.”
· The church’s own
publications have admitted to ecumenical involvement at the following
links:
https://omega77.tripod.com/sdaecunorway.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/francesunlaw.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/sabbathtrinity.htm
http://www.sdarm.net/northwestfield/publications/way/gws-10.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/nonsdaecu.htm
http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=3556
https://omega77.tripod.com/bbbeachreviewart2.htm
http://www.calltorepent.com/2003-booklet
https://omega77.tripod.com/germanapostacy.htm
http://www.eternalgospelherald.com/4.6.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/sdaecuinvolvement2.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/ecumenicalcoalition.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/decadesecuinv.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/ecumenicalcoalition.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/sdareformonecu.htm
https://omega77.tripod.com/isaiahchap8.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_ecumenism
Wheat Dwells with Tares, Not Open Sinners –
Laodicean’s are not Open Sinners
In
1893, the timeframe of the statement we are studying, the church WAS NOT
Laodicean because Ellen White said in her July 10 letter to Stanton and
Caldwell that the church was heeding the Laodicean message and keeping the
commandments of God.
Laodiceanism
is open sin apostasy because it is breaking the command of God to the
Laodiceans to buy gold tried in the fire. Thus, Ellen White said that the
foolish virgin state of the church was the Laodicean state. Foolish virgins are
sinners who are not saved.
Recall
that Ellen White also said that if the church became Laodicean (and remained
such—implied) that God would not regard it with any more favor than the fallen
churches of Babylon. The church has been Laodicean for a continuum of many
decades—at least since 1930.
There is in
some of the members of the church, pride, self-sufficiency, stubborn unbelief, and a
refusing to yield their ideas, although evidence may be piled upon evidence
which makes the message to the Laodicean church applicable. But that will not blot out the church that it will
not exist. Let both tares and wheat grow together until the harvest. Then it is the angels that do the work of separation.
I hope I have
made it abundantly clear that tares dwelling and growing with the wheat is
totally different from wheat dwelling with open sin apostasy which makes it
impossible for the wheat to mature and become/remain pure because such sin
chokes out the wheat.
I pray that all
understand that the THIRD ANGEL, the angel that does the work of separation,
symbolizes faithful men who give a sifting, shaking message.
We will explore
additional issues in part 4.
May God bless
and awaken His people is my prayer,
Ron Beaulieu